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Renault megane I 1.6 16V - Engine speed drops below idle and returns to normal

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  • #1 16568906
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    Hello everyone
    The problem concerns the megi I with the 1.6 16V engine without gas.
    The car after the "porazówce" goes down with revolutions at about 600 revolutions, then after 3-4 seconds it returns to 750 and stays like that regardless of the air conditioning or the brake pressed, etc. The car did not go out by itself, nor has any error.
    What I did:
    - cleaning the throttle and the potentiometer guide
    - cleaning and clogging of all electrical connections of the contact spray
    - the inlet seal (when the air filter is blocked by hand, it goes out)
    According to computer, gas potentiometers work well from 14% up (checked on two identical cars).
    The throttle at idle has 0.94% opening and goes to 10% (same as on the second car)
    Throttle potentiometers start:
    one from 80% and the other from 22% and they change, one decreasing and the other increasing, but there is always 1-2% "surplus" - there is this relationship for both cars.
    The only difference between these cars is the readings of the second lambda probe. In this, the second probe remains around 0 mV without any problems, and in this one it jumps with a fault and is quite similar to the first probe. Both cars were equally hot, even standing in the same place.
    Could this difference cause the revolutions to drop below idle?
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  • #2 16568985
    ptr92
    Level 19  
    Have you detached the clamp for a while? It's best to wait for the car to cool down, put the clamp on, start the car, wait for it to warm up without touching the gas pedal and take a test drive, putting it into neutral a few times while driving, so that the revs drop.
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  • #3 16569870
    mario 77
    Level 23  
    Dawid W wrote:
    In this, the second probe remains around 0 MV without any problems, and in this one it jumps with a fault and is quite similar to the first probe.

    From which year the car and what engine code? There may not be a second probe there. In addition, the second probe will not affect the idle, but the IAC valve will.
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  • #4 16569921
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    Normal rotation is 620-650. It sucks you up with an O-ring
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  • #5 16570036
    mario 77
    Level 23  
    andrzej20001 wrote:
    Normal rotation is 620-650

    Idle speed for this engine is 750 (+ - 50)
  • #6 16570082
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    mario 77 the second probe is for sure because the computer can see it and physically see it too.
    There is no stepper motor because there is already an electronic throttle (6 cables go to it, Two thicker ones to the coil that deflects the throttle and two to two potentiometers) And I will give the engine code from the evening. The driver is definitely the siurius 34


    The engine code is K4M
    Today I was at Renault Dako in Gorzów, asking about the parameters of the second probe and I was told that it should be around 450 mV and it should change slightly
  • #7 16570277
    ptr92
    Level 19  
    Not two per potentiometer, only two signals and a common plus and minus for both ;)
    Have you tried this adaptation?
  • #8 16570369
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    Adaptation in this case is not done. Until then, if there is no error, I am in the spot, in a week I will replace the throttles and if it does not change anything, maybe the EKU will have the same numbers. I am counting on some of your ideas.
  • #9 16570419
    mario 77
    Level 23  
    Dawid W wrote:
    Today I was in Renault Dako in Gorzów, asking about the parameters of the second probe and I was told that it should oscillate around 450 MV and it should change slightly

    Leave that other probe. If it fluctuates like the first, the catalyst is probably dead, but it has nothing to do with your problem.

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    What does MAP show at idle?
  • #10 16570590
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    The map on idle shows around 350-380 mbar and drops after entering the revolutions. As I wrote earlier, I have a second meganka as a model and it is similar there
  • #11 16571582
    mario 77
    Level 23  
    Dawid W wrote:
    As I wrote earlier, I have a second mega-ball as a model

    Then change the throttle.
  • #12 16572370
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    Today I connected Rhenium to the computer for the first time and noticed another anomaly. In the throttle parameters on the potentiometers nothing changed on idle, i.e. it was 80 and 22% after the gas, which I consider normal, but after releasing the gas all values return, respectively, 80% 22% and the throttle deflection 0.94% and after a while this value changes to 0.48% in this coin auto limp and then returns to 0.94% It is the only value that changes.
    Is it some kind of mechanical fault, excessive throttle play, or something?
  • #13 16589462
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    Welcome back.
    Renia returned to the owner, I did 200 km with this car, half the city and the route, and nothing happened, no mistakes, etc.
    What I did;
    -inlet sealing, including the gasket at the engine block (the car goes out when the air filter is clogged)
    -Replacement of the inlet temperature sensor (just for peace of mind)
    -Cleaning and maintenance of contacts and potentiometer
    After these treatments, the car went down below the idle speed and after a while it normalized.
    In addition, I "taught" the car idle speed - not to be confused with the throttle adaptation and it was much better although it was not ideal. I fumbled with the cables from the support pressure sensor (they were connected - the insulation crumbled)
    After this treatment, the drop in speed below idle is practically not noticeable, so I skipped the throttle replacement.
    Greetings and thanks, I leave the topic open for some time as if something has changed and in case of any questions.
  • #14 16677924
    Dawid W
    Level 15  
    Hello interested.
    I changed the throttle with the second car and it would seem like a bull's eye. After the substitution, the "donor" got behavior like a "patient" or throttle. For a while the cars drove and the "patient" got the same symptoms on the new throttle as on the old one. That is, revolutions around 2500 and no reaction to gas, the engine behaved in the same way as I unplugged the throttle completely. I decided to buy a new throttle for heavy money, after putting on the "check" and the throttle indicator light went out, the car itself started to run normally, including idling. Full of joy, but for some time, after a long ride at a constant speed, the "check" was lit and the car did not run perfectly, although it was possible to drive. An error popped out of the catalyst (in fact, such a package as in the picture). Kat was exchanged for some replacement, which somehow did not surprise me and did not worry me. Can a malfunctioning catalytic converter affect the throttle. Or maybe the beam is lying somewhere? Does the driver have any software hole? Do you have any ideas? Because for me it is a harness to be interrupted and a driver to update.
    Have an idea.
    Thank you
    Renault megane I 1.6 16V - Engine speed drops below idle and returns to normal

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a Renault Megane I with a 1.6 16V engine experiencing fluctuating idle speeds, dropping below 600 RPM before returning to normal after a few seconds. The owner has performed several maintenance tasks, including cleaning the throttle and potentiometer, checking electrical connections, and verifying the gas potentiometers' functionality. Responses suggest checking the IAC valve, MAP readings, and potential issues with the throttle or catalytic converter. The owner eventually replaced the throttle, which initially resolved the issue, but later symptoms reappeared, indicating a possible malfunctioning catalytic converter affecting throttle performance.
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