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Patient:
Suzuki Swift, year 2008, 1.3 ddis 75km engine (Fiat unit, also fitted in Opel).
Manual air conditioning controlled by the 0/1 A / C button.
Cart imported from DK, I will not determine the history of this case, there is nothing on the subject at first glance (I don't know Danish
).
Problem:
The A / C button has no effect on the temperature of the grilles ...
Ok, so the climate doesn't work.
At first, it turns out that the electromagnet in the compressor clutch is broken, the clutch has been replaced.
Then, it turns out that still no cool air is flowing from the air vents, so a visit to the air conditioning service plant (Klima-Car in Mysiadle near Warsaw). Diagnosis - low system pressure, tight system, fan not turning on. The effect, setting the gas to the correct pressure and checking the temperature when the system is turned on (fan replaced by cooling with cooling water), verdict - after removing the electrical problem with not turning on the fan, the air conditioning will be cooling. Suggestion to go to an electrician.
COOL
Then a short vacation, and after the vacation I work again with Swift. Test whether the radiator fan will turn on after the engine warms up (functional sensor of liquid temperature?) - effect - the fan works, lowers the temperature, turns off and continues to loop in accordance with temperature fluctuations. During this test, it released gas with the tester (green) through the valve on the compressor (WTF I think ... I didn't switch on the air conditioner).
One more visit to Klima-Car and checking the pressure quickly, there is 5 bar (ok) in the system - the compressor safety valve has tripped. Why was the climate going on despite the A / C button off? It turns out that the compressor clutch is coupled with ignition.
Thus, a visit to the electrician is getting closer (not only the fan not turning on but also the compressor clutch briefly after ignition for repair)
Car led to an electrician who stated the following:
- the cable pulled after ignition briefly started the air conditioning compressor bypassing the A / C button, unfortunately it turned on the compressor itself.
The electrician brought this modification to its factory condition (i.e. eliminated it).
To sum up, the ignition was on and the engine was working with the clutch running the compressor. In the absence of air flow through the radiator (work at standstill / traffic jam, without the fan turned on), the pressure increasing in the system was dropped by the safety valve on the compressor (luckily, it even worked and did not explode other elements of the system).
Hence the low pressure during the first visit and diagnosis at Klima-Car (interestingly, the system did not burst the system for a short time - only the compressor clutch solenoid was consumed).
The electrician checked the installation to the computer (GM 55563974, on the MJD 6O2.Y6 board) and read the parameters of the system (of course, through diagnostics, there were no errors from the air conditioning system group).
Well, the computer "sees" the request to start the air conditioning from the button, correctly responds to the ON / OFF button A / C.
The pressure sensor in the air conditioning system also supplies its parameter (voltage) to the computer (currently ~ 1.1-1.2V)
The computer does not convert this voltage into bar pressure.
Therefore, it does not turn on the compressor and fan.
An attempt to manually supply a different voltage to a computer (simulating a different system pressure, 2V, 4V, 5V) remains completely unnoticed
...
The situation is illustrated by the following pictures.
And now the questions ... what else to look for and what to check in the system, what attachment point is left to activate this system on the factory beam? ...
The computer visited GMS (global moto service sc) to check for possible burned paths. Unfortunately, he could not be diagnosed by Piotr Okoni on the table without passing through the OBD of the car (connecting to the diagnostic system), and verified the passage in the system, excluding computer defect under the electronic account.
Questions ...
Does anyone have knowledge, or does this type of computer have any air conditioning sewn in ?? (car downloaded from DK quite recently, seeing patents with cables, various ideas come to mind, what Danes used to say) ...
Is there any other element in this system whose parameter is related to turning on the air conditioning, i.e. something else I should check / exclude ??
I do not see the way out of the current situation, if we do not come up with anything together, the last solution will be to generate our own electric beam based on a pressure sensor, e.g. http://www.inter-instal.com/produkt/6000004-presostat-czujnik- air-conditioning-pressure-hp-and-mp-and-lp-male-external-4-pins and A / C button in the cabin, but this is the final resort that I would like to avoid even more because I don't know if any universal fit sensor for swift pipe thread.
The guys from Klima-Car spread their hands, the electrics do not fuse, the electrician also folded after bringing the beam to the factory (suggesting a damaged or even without operating a klima computer). Piotr from GMS can't help too much anymore.
In this case, I don't see the sense of going to an ASO, once because of the costs and two from experience of how an ASO works and approach "unusual" cases.
Any idea?
I will be obliged for any suggestions, hints, oh - fuses in working order
Pozdr.
Michael
Patient:
Suzuki Swift, year 2008, 1.3 ddis 75km engine (Fiat unit, also fitted in Opel).
Manual air conditioning controlled by the 0/1 A / C button.
Cart imported from DK, I will not determine the history of this case, there is nothing on the subject at first glance (I don't know Danish
). Problem:
The A / C button has no effect on the temperature of the grilles ...
Ok, so the climate doesn't work.
At first, it turns out that the electromagnet in the compressor clutch is broken, the clutch has been replaced.
Then, it turns out that still no cool air is flowing from the air vents, so a visit to the air conditioning service plant (Klima-Car in Mysiadle near Warsaw). Diagnosis - low system pressure, tight system, fan not turning on. The effect, setting the gas to the correct pressure and checking the temperature when the system is turned on (fan replaced by cooling with cooling water), verdict - after removing the electrical problem with not turning on the fan, the air conditioning will be cooling. Suggestion to go to an electrician.
COOL
Then a short vacation, and after the vacation I work again with Swift. Test whether the radiator fan will turn on after the engine warms up (functional sensor of liquid temperature?) - effect - the fan works, lowers the temperature, turns off and continues to loop in accordance with temperature fluctuations. During this test, it released gas with the tester (green) through the valve on the compressor (WTF I think ... I didn't switch on the air conditioner).
One more visit to Klima-Car and checking the pressure quickly, there is 5 bar (ok) in the system - the compressor safety valve has tripped. Why was the climate going on despite the A / C button off? It turns out that the compressor clutch is coupled with ignition.
Thus, a visit to the electrician is getting closer (not only the fan not turning on but also the compressor clutch briefly after ignition for repair)
Car led to an electrician who stated the following:
- the cable pulled after ignition briefly started the air conditioning compressor bypassing the A / C button, unfortunately it turned on the compressor itself.
The electrician brought this modification to its factory condition (i.e. eliminated it).
To sum up, the ignition was on and the engine was working with the clutch running the compressor. In the absence of air flow through the radiator (work at standstill / traffic jam, without the fan turned on), the pressure increasing in the system was dropped by the safety valve on the compressor (luckily, it even worked and did not explode other elements of the system).
Hence the low pressure during the first visit and diagnosis at Klima-Car (interestingly, the system did not burst the system for a short time - only the compressor clutch solenoid was consumed).
The electrician checked the installation to the computer (GM 55563974, on the MJD 6O2.Y6 board) and read the parameters of the system (of course, through diagnostics, there were no errors from the air conditioning system group).
Well, the computer "sees" the request to start the air conditioning from the button, correctly responds to the ON / OFF button A / C.
The pressure sensor in the air conditioning system also supplies its parameter (voltage) to the computer (currently ~ 1.1-1.2V)
The computer does not convert this voltage into bar pressure.
Therefore, it does not turn on the compressor and fan.
An attempt to manually supply a different voltage to a computer (simulating a different system pressure, 2V, 4V, 5V) remains completely unnoticed
... The situation is illustrated by the following pictures.
And now the questions ... what else to look for and what to check in the system, what attachment point is left to activate this system on the factory beam? ...
The computer visited GMS (global moto service sc) to check for possible burned paths. Unfortunately, he could not be diagnosed by Piotr Okoni on the table without passing through the OBD of the car (connecting to the diagnostic system), and verified the passage in the system, excluding computer defect under the electronic account.
Questions ...
Does anyone have knowledge, or does this type of computer have any air conditioning sewn in ??
(car downloaded from DK quite recently, seeing patents with cables, various ideas come to mind, what Danes used to say) ... Is there any other element in this system whose parameter is related to turning on the air conditioning, i.e. something else I should check / exclude ??
I do not see the way out of the current situation, if we do not come up with anything together, the last solution will be to generate our own electric beam based on a pressure sensor, e.g. http://www.inter-instal.com/produkt/6000004-presostat-czujnik- air-conditioning-pressure-hp-and-mp-and-lp-male-external-4-pins and A / C button in the cabin, but this is the final resort that I would like to avoid even more because I don't know if any universal fit sensor for swift pipe thread.
The guys from Klima-Car spread their hands, the electrics do not fuse, the electrician also folded after bringing the beam to the factory (suggesting a damaged or even without operating a klima computer). Piotr from GMS can't help too much anymore.
In this case, I don't see the sense of going to an ASO, once because of the costs and two from experience of how an ASO works and approach "unusual" cases.
Any idea?
I will be obliged for any suggestions, hints, oh - fuses in working order
Pozdr.
Michael
