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No Electricity After Glue Gun Incident: Fuses, Differential, Meter On, 25A Fuse Replaced

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Why is there no power in my apartment after a glue gun short circuit when the meter briefly turns on, but there is no voltage at the apartment differential after replacing the 25A sealed fuse?

The most likely fault is upstream of your apartment panel, probably in the pre-meter protection or the main switch/fuse in the staircase or basement, not in the glue gun socket itself [#16732643][#16732659][#16733847] Turn off all apartment breakers and the differential, then check whether the meter and the feed into the apartment panel are actually alive; if there is still no voltage at the input to the differential, the problem is before your apartment installation [#16732643][#16733847] The fact that the meter powers up briefly and then goes off suggests it is energizing but there is no real load/power flow, not that it is running on a backup battery [#16733847] If the short happened on one socket circuit, an overcurrent breaker may have failed; if it happened across different circuits, the insulation switch/pre-meter protection is more likely damaged [#16732659] Because sealed equipment and network-side elements may be involved, this is a job for the building electrician/co-op or the utility, not just the apartment breakers [#16732670][#16732674]
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  • #1 16732566
    mandarek
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    Hello

    I plugged the glue gun into the socket, something shot and the lights went out in the whole apartment.

    I have a flat in a block of flats, the installation looks as follows:
    fuses in the apartment, I also have a differential, fuse in the staircase sealed, electricity meter and more ...

    Fuses and differential in the apartment turned on, I replaced the fuse on the cage (the one sealed - for PGE telephone consent)
    for the same 25A. And there is still no electricity.

    On the meter, when you turn it on from the button, it works (after a moment it goes out), this fuse on the cage receives electricity with a sampler, while the differential in the house does not occur (I checked with a sampler)

    Where can the reason be?
    Please help
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  • #2 16732611
    gradek83
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    Is that in the cage? Did you mention it prophylactically? Usually, the whole riser goes, or so it is in my block and then to the main switchboard somewhere in the basement or as in my case in the middle cage in the block is the main switch.
    Of course, you took the glue gun out of the socket, you probably have a short circuit on it.
    Call PGE since they are to deal with your energy network for something unless you pay them.
  • #3 16732621
    opornik7
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    gradek83 wrote:
    Call PGE since they are to deal with your energy network for something unless you pay them.

    Crap Sunday evening.
  • #4 16732623
    sosarek

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    gradek83 wrote:
    Of course, you took the glue gun out of the socket, you probably have a short circuit on it.

    Or in the nest itself.
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  • #5 16732633
    mandarek
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    That's how it got out of the cage. It was sealed and with the phone permission of PGE, I removed the seal and replaced it with a new one.
    PGE may come up but only tomorrow and such pleasure PLN 64.

    I also suspect that another in the basement at the main counter could have popped out. I'm just curious that there is electricity in the one mentioned on the cage and the meter wonders. If you turn it on with the counters, it works for a while and then goes out.

    Tenants who have meters in my box have electricity.

    Added after 36 [seconds]:

    Of course, I unplugged the gun

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    An electrician from the cooperative is still bowing, but it is only tomorrow
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  • #6 16732643
    sosarek

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    mandarek wrote:
    there is electricity on the one mentioned in the cage and the meter wonders. If you turn it on with the counters, it works for a while and then goes out.

    So don't look for any security in the basement. Turn off all the fuses and the differential that you have in the apartment and "turn on" the meter - check if it works.
    Take apart the socket to which the gun was connected and check whether there is a short circuit (molten insulation, etc.).
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    sosarek wrote:
    mandarek wrote:
    there is electricity on the one mentioned in the cage and the meter wonders. If you turn it on with the counters, it works for a while and then goes out.

    So don't look for any security in the basement. Turn off all the fuses and the differential that you have in the apartment and "turn on" the meter - check if it works.
    Take apart the socket to which the gun was connected and check whether there is a short circuit (molten insulation, etc.).


    And so I did the counter "works" with the minute and itself after about a minute turned off.

    This is not the socket because I first connected the gun through the extension cord and shot only one S, and then to another socket directly.
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    mandarek wrote:
    o no socket is the reason because I first connected the gun through the extension cord and shot only one S, and then to another socket directly.

    Didn't he give you food for the first time? Was it better to persist with a maniac to cause further damage?
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  • #10 16732664
    mandarek
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    if one circuit is a miniature circuit breaker but in my apartment ???

    As I checked with a sampler at the ends of the wires that "enter" into the apartment and go to the differential, there is no voltage there

    If this isolation switch is damaged, it is a task for those from the "cooperative" whether to call PGE

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    sosarek wrote:
    mandarek wrote:
    o no socket is the reason because I first connected the gun through the extension cord and shot only one S, and then to another socket directly.

    Didn't he give you food for the first time? Was it better to persist with a maniac to cause further damage?


    If I did it personally, maybe I would stop and think for a moment.
    But the 11-year-old wife and son are an explosive mixture.
  • #11 16732670
    Topolski Mirosław
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    Gentlemen, the installation is not a sandbox and playing with it may end up in a tragedy for a layman. The only advice is to wait for an electrician. The mandarek checked but he really has no idea what he was checking and I suspect that he was checking with a neon indicator which in the case of a layman leads to wrong conclusions.
    Installation should only be done by a person with a valid qualification certificate who knows what to check and how.
  • #12 16732674
    mandarek
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    That's right

    I checked what I could without interfering with the installation itself (well, possibly replacing the fuse) and without danger to myself and others and what I had on hand.

    It remains to wait for the electrician, but it is also absurd competence because the electrician from the cooperative says that he can do nothing because seals and only PGE.
    PGE allows the seals to be removed by phone and allows the layman to replace the fuse.
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  • #13 16732944
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    And I would like to remind you that if the meter turns on and then turns off then there is probably no power supply, it works on an internal backup battery.

    So, most likely, this pre-meter security is a problem.
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    gradek83
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    opornik7 wrote:
    Crap Sunday evening.

    I'm sorry to add to the Counter. Behind the counter, however, it must be a fact for an electrician to call ... or to search for himself, which I would advise against ...
    mandarek wrote:
    and such pleasure 64 PLN.

    And not too expensive, not counting that if something went in the wall then the costs may be higher.
    mandarek wrote:
    An electrician from the cooperative is still bowing, but it is only tomorrow

    Well, a professional will overcome the situation and say what and how.
    Topolski Mirosław wrote:
    The only advice is to wait for an electrician.

    We will wait carefully and certainly a friend will tell us where the dog was buried.
    Volt wrote:
    works on the internal backup battery.

    Do all the meters have newer ones?

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    mandarek wrote:
    This is not the socket because I first connected the gun through the extension cord and shot only one S, and then to another socket directly.

    How many amps do you have a fuse for?
    At frame 25A and at home?
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    Topolski Mirosław
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    gradek83 wrote:

    How many amps do you have a fuse for?
    At frame 25A and at home?

    It doesn't matter in the event of a short circuit.
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    Volt wrote:
    And I would like to remind you that if the meter turns on and then turns off then there is probably no power supply, it works on an internal backup battery.

    No, it is not powered by a backup battery. It is used to maintain the meter settings, the power supply is carried out directly from the network.

    The above behavior indicates that the meter is powering up, but that there is no power consumption (so the meter turns off after a minute due to lack of energy).

    Take photos of the electrical switchboard (best if you have the option, without the cover).
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    Topolski Mirosław wrote:
    It doesn't matter in the event of a short circuit.

    So you say that if I have three 2A 16A and 25A fuses on the power line, all of them will work at once? Alternatively, explain how you see it.
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    gradek83 wrote:
    Topolski Mirosław wrote:
    It doesn't matter in the event of a short circuit.

    So you say that if I have three 2A 16A and 25A fuses on the power line, all of them will work at once? Alternatively, explain how you see it.

    Pay attention to the characteristics of the miniature circuit breakers and consider that this is a short circuit and not an overload.
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    kSmuk wrote:
    No, it is not powered by a backup battery. It is used to maintain the meter settings, the power supply is carried out directly from the network.

    The above behavior indicates that the meter is powering up, but that there is no power consumption (so the meter turns off after a minute due to lack of energy).


    Strange, because I could disassemble the counters with only his hand in "turn it on" and read the parameters that he had stored in himself.
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    As if you added photos and showed what, where and how you check, maybe you could conjure something ..
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✨ A user experienced a power outage in their apartment after plugging in a glue gun, which caused a short circuit. Despite replacing a 25A fuse in the sealed staircase cage and ensuring the differential and apartment fuses were operational, electricity remained unavailable. The user noted that the electricity meter briefly activates before shutting off, indicating a potential issue with the pre-meter security or a damaged isolation switch. Responses from other users suggested checking the socket for damage, confirming the functionality of the circuit breakers, and advised waiting for a qualified electrician to address the issue, as tampering with electrical installations can be dangerous.
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TL;DR: After a glue‑gun short, check upstream protection: a 25 A pre‑meter fuse and main isolation may have tripped; “The installation is not a sandbox.” Call a qualified electrician if unsure. Typical symptom: meter wakes, then dies after ~1 minute. [Elektroda, Topolski Mirosław, post #16732670]

Why it matters: This FAQ helps apartment dwellers fix “no power after a pop” safely and decide who to call, fast.

Quick Facts

Why did the lights go out right after plugging in a glue gun?

A short circuit likely occurred at the tool, plug, extension, or outlet. That fault can trip your apartment breakers and upstream, sealed pre‑meter protection. After such a “shot,” power may be lost to the entire flat until upstream protection is checked or replaced. [Elektroda, gradek83, post #16732611]

My meter turns on when I press its button, then goes off. What does that mean?

This behavior indicates the meter briefly powers its display, then shuts down due to no supply or no load seen after power‑up. In the thread, it stayed lit about one minute before going dark. That points upstream of the apartment board. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732650]

Should I keep trying different outlets or extensions to test the glue gun?

No. Repeating plug‑ins after the first trip risks further damage and more tripping. Stop testing, unplug the device, and begin upstream checks or call a professional. “Was it better to persist with a maniac to cause further damage?” [Elektroda, sosarek, post #16732662]

Who should I call: the building cooperative electrician or the utility (PGE)?

If seals and pre‑meter devices are involved, the utility handles it. The cooperative electrician may decline due to seals. In the case discussed, PGE allowed seal removal by phone and arranged service. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732674]

What does “differential” mean in this thread?

It refers to the RCD (residual‑current device) in the apartment board. The user noted the RCD was ON, yet no voltage reached it, indicating a fault before the RCD. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732664]

How do I safely isolate and test after a whole‑flat outage?

Use this 3‑step check: 1. Turn OFF all apartment breakers and the RCD. 2. Attempt to “turn on” the meter/display. 3. If it now holds, inspect the first affected outlet; otherwise, escalate upstream. [Elektroda, sosarek, post #16732643]

Could a basement isolation switch be the hidden culprit?

Yes. A failed isolation switch upstream can leave the apartment dead even if the stairwell fuse has power. This edge case was highlighted when two circuits reacted differently after the incident. [Elektroda, 2978929, post #16732659]

Is a 25 A pre‑meter fuse adequate, and should I change its rating?

Match the existing rating only. The user replaced a sealed 25 A with the same value under permission. Do not up‑rate fuses; coordinate with the utility for sealed components. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732633]

Do fuse sizes guarantee selectivity during a short circuit?

No. During a short circuit, breaker characteristics dominate, and selectivity is not assured just by different amp ratings. “Consider that this is a short circuit and not an overload.” [Elektroda, Topolski Mirosław, post #16734045]

My tester pen shows weird results. Can I trust it?

No. Neon pens often mislead non‑professionals, leading to wrong conclusions about live conductors. Use proper instruments and, if unqualified, stop and call an electrician. [Elektroda, Topolski Mirosław, post #16732670]

What costs should I expect for utility intervention?

In the reported case, the utility quoted PLN 64 for next‑day service. Actual fees vary by provider and timing, but expect a similar call‑out line item. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732633]

Why is there no voltage at the apartment incomer to the RCD?

That indicates the fault lies before the apartment board, such as a pre‑meter fuse, main isolation, or riser. The user confirmed no voltage at conductors feeding the RCD. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732664]

Could the overcurrent breaker itself be damaged?

Yes. After severe faults, an overcurrent breaker can fail and block supply to a circuit or the flat. Replacement or upstream repair may be necessary. [Elektroda, 2978929, post #16732659]

Is it safe for a layperson to remove seals and replace fuses?

Only with explicit utility permission. In this case, phone authorization was given to remove a seal and fit an identical 25 A fuse. Otherwise, wait for utility staff. [Elektroda, mandarek, post #16732633]

What immediate safety rule should I follow here?

Stop DIY once basic isolation checks are done. “The installation is not a sandbox and playing with it may end up in a tragedy.” Call a qualified electrician. [Elektroda, Topolski Mirosław, post #16732670]
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