Looking for a 5-7 Seater Family Car with Adjustable Rear Seats, Diesel Engine & Good Comfort

Hello.
I will cause a small discussion. I am currently looking for a car, but I have specific requirements and budget. basic requirements are diesel engine (not too big), adjustable rear seat or separate seats (necessary). Number of places minimum 5 maximum 7. Rather no van, minivan, I don't want 4x4 either. Must have fairly good comfort. up to a maximum of 13 years. budget say 10-15 thousand. at once I do episodes around 1400-1600km also a fairly comfortable driver's seat.
Of the cars I had so far was a very comfortable mazda 626 g and a citroen c8 that met my needs. With the fact that citroen is hard to drive, especially in mountainous terrain, and Mazda is very light. Cars that fall off: passat b5, audi a6, mazda 6, too hard the driver may not get tired but passengers very much, BMW e39 too frequent failures, not permanent suspension. Mondeo frequent failures of the injection system, lack of passenger comfort. Lagoon 2 - frequent failures of the clutch and electronics, no adjustment of the rear seat. Maybe someone knows something and will recommend something to me. Because he is slowly giving up.

I drive the Chrysler Voyager for 12 years (the second generation) 2.5 crd engine and the next one will also be Voyager - maybe in this direction my friend

Mondeo mk4 no comfort? Engine 1.8 tdci or 2.0 tdci /hdi.140km best engines.
The Peguot 607 2.0 hdi was great on the route, I had a lift - 6 gear, low fuel consumption, comfort, zero problems, very large trunk.
Sharan - seats are stools and above 120 km / h in the middle of howling - diesel.
Maybe short Vivaro? Will it meet your expectations?
I don't know if you will have Ford S-max, all seats separate, pleasant velor and comfortable.
Berlingo - a failure in the back, unless you find some great versions with fold-out seats.
Remember that cars like c max. 5008, or another small van, the outer seats tilt only to the rear shelf - the trunk, i.e. in a long route the seat tilt is very small and even a child in the seat or the passenger will not feel it.
Peugeot 307 Sw, the last one is 2008, later 308 was already coming out - the best 2.0 hdi 136HP engine or 1.6 16v lpg.

lasl wrote:

I drive the Chrysler Voyager for 12 years (the second generation) 2.5 crd engine and the next one will also be Voyager - maybe in this direction my friend

OK, and how are the routes in the mountainous terrain not so high on the turns? And as with combustion and suspension durability. I read that Chryslers are affected by glitches, how is it?

Somebody22 wrote:

ok and how do the routes in the mountainous terrain not make him a lot in turns? And as with combustion and suspension durability. I read that chryslery is melting the glitch, how is it ??

I do not complain about the malfunction of the vehicle (unlike the Scenic II of my wife) and I consider the suspension to be one of the less emergency ones. I do not sell my, that I praised him, I had Fords, Opel Fiat and others, and this one is No. 1 for me of course, all the more for long routes. I currently have a grand version, I infected two of my colleagues with this brand and no one complains. It is known that everyone will find pros and cons of a given brand and most of those who did not have such a car. Burning on average about 8l.

Maybe you will look for a Vito with 6 captain chairs. Or Zafira 7os ..

andrzej20001 wrote:

Maybe you will look for a Vito with 6 captain chairs. Or Zafira 7os ..

vito it falls off, too much for this equipment Lucas delphi, rust etc. and Zafira has all the seats in the back folding? I'm curious I've never ridden it. I had a c8 for it, a bit similar to a voyager, the only minus of this car is its weight and swinging in the corners. Combustion is route 6.5 and the city 8 engine 2.0hdi and registration for 8 people (in Hungary I have to pay for vignettes as for a bus)

Write what you need is a car, whether to take people to work or a trip or 4 people and equipment to or from work, because, for example, in such zafirrze there is a bar behind and people traveling there complain about it - i.e. comfort. As in t4 in the last row. Well, probably in this case better probably because of the 2.0 tdi 100KM in traske will be a little hard for him and the newer model in this money probably not real.

kakibara wrote:

Mondeo mk4 no comfort? Engine 1.8 tdci or 2.0 tdci /hdi.140km best engines.
The route peguot 607 2.0hdi we had a great ride after the lift - 6th low fuel consumption convenience zero problems very large trunk.
Sharan seats are stools and over 120km / h in the middle of howling - diesel.
Maybe a short vivaro? Will it meet your expectations?
I do not know if you have enough for Ford S-Max all seats separate pleasant velor and comfortable.
Berlingo is such a failure, unless you find some great versions with fold-out seats.
Remember that cars like c max. 5008 or another small van, the outer seats tilt only to the rear shelf - the trunk, i.e. in the long run the seat tilt is very small and even a child in the seat or the passenger will not feel it.
Peugeot 307 Sw last year 2008 later 308 has already come out - the best engine 2.0 hdi 136HP or 1.6 16v lpg.

I can't afford a good mk4 2.0 tdci, but it still doesn't have an adjustable rear seat. 607 does not want to see the eyes (I had 3.0v6) tragedy on wheels, the prices are nightmarish parts. Vivaro is a rather small bus. Do 307sw or 308sw have rear seats adjustable so that you can take a nap on them for a while?

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[quote = "kakibara"] Write what you need is a car, whether to take people to work or a trip, or 4 people and equipment to or from work, because, for example, in such zafira there is a beam on the back and people traveling there complain about it - that is comfort. As in t4 in the last row. Well, probably in this case better probably because of the 2.0 tdi 100KM in traske will be a little hard for him and the newer model in this money probably not real. [/ Quote
A bit like a trip, a trip of 4 people. Routes about once a month (sometimes less often), in winter break mainly Perm and Yekaterenburg. Unfortunately, you have to sleep in the car (those who drove there know why). I don't care about the speeds, because there is nowhere to develop them. In summer, you have to go to Bulgaria or Greece twice.

You've had a few cars in your life, and you probably already know that no c-class sedan or wagon has a fold-out couch, like 1/3 and 2/3? Only just 307 sw, vans with single seats - I wrote to you above if, for example, you take 307 or c-max or c4 then you have bacon behind the outer seats, the inner trunk lid where the roller blind or the boot shelf is mounted - and for technical reasons the manufacturer does not fully lay backrests because the user will not use them anyway.
If you already ask such a question, the answer is only a van, which has space behind the back that does not limit this movement - this task is fulfilled by 100%, e.g. Sharan.
Old Voyager had a long bench in the second and third row, I drove several times, but I never had to sleep in it - but now wondering what it would look like? Three people on the back bench - they must sleep together at the same time - hahahh.
I gave you Vivaro, as a short example, it is not really a big car - of course it is free and your choice which I respect!
After that, if the car is to be comfortable, for example Vivaro, and burn 7-8 l / 100km on the route, and e.g. 307 or c8 will burn 6.5 -7 l / 100km - then along your route you may have 10 l of oil in the "back" but the more you take the goods people more satisfied with the comfort.
I gave Vivaro as an example, you can replace him with Voyager in captain chairs.
You had a Frenchman, although it is not a fold-out sofa again, but maybe the Citroen c5 estate - one of the largest in the class?
It is without air suspension.

kakibara wrote:

You've had a few cars in your life, and you probably already know that no sedan and station wagon class C or d have a fold-out couch, like 1/3 and 2/3? Only just 307 s in a van that have single seats - I wrote to you above if, for example, you take a 307 or c-max or c4, then behind the outer seats you have a side, inner trunk lid where the roller blind or trunk shelf is mounted - and for technical reasons the manufacturer does not end of buried rests because the user has not used them anyway.

ok But for example in Mazda 626gw I had a couch adjustment that could be dozed as far as it was unfolded, i.e. the bottom turned forward and the backrest behind it bottomed. It was a pretty cool solution. In addition, the car did not rock in serpentine like the c8. When I go to the mountains, I almost have a gag reflex. I have now sold Citroen and I was thinking about something a little smaller. But it will be a van to ensure adequate comfort. I am not afraid of French cars. I already had some of them. even now as the second car I have Lagune 2 fl 2.0dci and I will not say a bad word. It is certainly less emergency than 607, Bmw e61, mondeo mk3 tdci. I remember the C8 and mazda 626gw the best. after 626 I also had 6 but very short (poor comfort and acetabulum). I am still curious about the FRV Honda, but probably like 307 or Zafira has limitations.

Ok, after thinking, I have a choice:
Galaxy (I need to add some) 2.0tdci from 2007->
Chrysler Voyager 2.5crdi
Mazda MPV 2.0d
Espace 2.0dci
Trajet 2.0crdi
or further Eurovan (807, c8, ulysse, phedra)
Which of the above will be stiffer and will not be harassed by failures (except for Eurovan)?

Somebody22 wrote:

Must have fairly good comfort. up to a maximum of 13 years. budget say 10-15 thousand. at once I do episodes around 1400-1600km also a fairly comfortable driver's seat.

I do not understand why you push into the old, worn diesel? Yes, modern 10-year diesels are a bottomless well.

Somebody22 wrote:

I am not afraid of French cars. I already had some of them.

Then consider Renault vel satis with 2.0T + gas engine. I wouldn't dare offer you any diesel from Renault, except newer 2.0dci.
Car map really amazingly comfortable and spacious. It is not too high and there will be no rocking like in 807.

I think the galaxy has the most space in the back, engines very good.
You have and know the Espace 2.0dci, all transporters go on routes with this engine and such opinion 700-800 thousand km we change the engine whether it will fall or not - notice that on the highway their speed is 150 km / h and up.
I would be a bit afraid of electronics - lagoon 2 or 3 is super polished - but with this vanik.

I drove today to the Galaxy trial from komis and espace - only espace was 1.9. My impression is that the Galaxy is quite stiff, espace behaves similar to 807. 10 years diesel usually requires repair of the injection and clutch. But this is not a tragedy. gasoline usually loses compression quickly and requires capital, so the costs are similar. I would prefer a diesel on the road, if gasoline had to be some v6 to ensure proper work culture.

Somebody22 wrote:

And how are the routes in the mountainous terrain not so high on the turns?

As for you C8 is bad driving, no Voyager or similar people do not even think about it, it even fell on a straight "buja".
In general, you need to increase your budget or reduce your requirements.

Somebody22 wrote:

gasoline usually loses compression quickly and requires capital, so costs similar

A good gasoline engine does 500kkm, before that the head gasket or valves will fly (but it's still nothing with dual mass, dpf, pump injection) but if you change the post for PLN 1,500 and drive on.

Somebody22 wrote:

I would prefer a diesel on the road, if gasoline had to be some v6 to ensure proper work culture.

That is why I have recommended you gasoline turbo, the moment "is", and the range of useful rotations much wider than in diesel.

car changed. the choice fell on Galaxy 2.0tdci. So far keeping around