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Solaredge SE3500 Inverter Query: Can It Work Without Power Optimizers on 8 Solar Panels?

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  • #1 17428232
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    Hello, I have a solaredge SE 3500 inverter and 8 solar panels mounted on the roof. The panels are without power optimizers. I found out that without them the inverter will not work. The question is whether it is possible to turn on my power plant without optimizers or whether it is possible to turn it off in some other way - a workaround for this problem. I do not need the optimizers too much because there is no option to darken the sun.
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    #2 17428260
    FankyKoval
    Level 14  
    This model does not have MPPT that is built into the SE optimizers. It won't move without them
  • #3 17428270
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    even in the inverter menu it can not be reprogrammed?
  • #4 17428319
    prose
    Level 35  
    And did you connect the panels to the inverter?
  • #5 17428373
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    Yes . voltage from 290V DC panels. on the AC 232V side on the display - of course, the mains voltage is connected otherwise so that the inverter would not start. I have overloaded the network and it takes electricity from the network .... on the display where it is to show how much power is sending the inverter ..... unfortunately 0 .... The green LED is on as if everything is OK.
  • #6 17428409
    bestler
    Admin of DIY, Automation
    290V DC is not too low? What range do you have on the plate?
  • #7 17428422
    prose
    Level 35  
    Nominal inverter voltage is 350V, 290V may be too low
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  • #8 17428435
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    the manufacturer does not specify the minimum - the data includes the rated DC voltage 380 -max 480, but when I called the company that installs such inverters, they said that 290V is ok without any problems.
  • #9 17428437
    prose
    Level 35  
    I would advise you to replace the inverter with an inverter with MPPT.

    Added after 5 [minutes]:

    Try in the settings menu, maybe something is wrongly set.
  • #10 17428447
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    I already have everything connected and a very good inverter when it comes to efficiency and the company .... I think I will buy these optimizers and leave it as it is. replacing the inverter will come out more expensive
  • #11 17428451
    bestler
    Admin of DIY, Automation
    If it was ok, it would work. 290V is 60V too low for most inverters.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    If you have 38V panels, maybe consider buying 2 pcs.
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  • #12 17428475
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    May you be right because I can buy panels I have 300W. But apparently soleredge inverters must have optimizers ...... otherwise they won't turn on
  • #13 17428489
    prose
    Level 35  
    norim_no wrote:
    very good inverter when it comes to efficiency and company
    I would not say that it is so good and has high efficiency, the Fronius symo is more efficient.
  • #14 17428510
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    we won't go into the details. If I had known ..but it happened.
  • #15 17428998
    witekem
    Level 23  
    As it happens, you praise others and you do not know yours.
    I recommend Elektronix 3.5kW Elnix for PLN 1600.
    It works from 30V, fast MPPT and, most importantly, resistant to our voltage dips and works from 180V in the network. Synchronization time with the network is 1 second, not a minute! And a free cloud, e.g. http://pvmonitor.pl/user.php?idinst=10376

    http://www.elektronix.pl/inwpv.htm
  • #16 17430006
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    it is not about .... As it happens, you praise others and you do not know yours. I already bought it and I just didn't know that these inverters require optimizers. There is certainly a way around this problem, only this type of installation is not enough in our country for anyone to break it. I will write this if you can work miracles with cars through the computer, I do not believe that there is no way around it But thanks to everything they had and wanted to be interested in my problem.
  • #17 17430050
    FankyKoval
    Level 14  
    In order for the inverter to work, it must have mppt, this one is built according to a different philosophy. And he has them stretched out. Don't jump over from there.
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  • #18 17430100
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    I know it will not stop. but I am sure of one thing, if the inverter has an input - connection to a computer, there will be an IT specialist one day, which will simply turn off this function and that's it ...
  • #19 17430111
    bestler
    Admin of DIY, Automation
    Adding panels and thus increasing the voltage will allow the current inverter to start. However, it is the MPPT regulator that will allow the maximum use of the power of the panels, which will not be possible without this device.
  • #20 17430136
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    you are wrong, raising the voltage, otherwise connecting the panels will not turn on the inverter ... it is already turned on and is looking for ..... waiting for a message with the optimizer.
  • #21 17430179
    bestler
    Admin of DIY, Automation
    Since you have such knowledge, how did it happen that you bought an incomplete and not working set for a few thousand? I do not know all the models of solar inverters, here it may be as you write. However, 290V is, in most solutions, it will not be enough and most inverters will behave in the same way as yours - it will start and start, but the power output will still be 0 ...
  • #22 17430517
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    when I bought an inverter, I did not know that it was required. I did not buy the whole set, only in certain stages it does not cost PLN 100. the knowledge I have what I have for sure I'm a beginner but I will not agree that 290V from 8 new 300W panels is the reason that this inverter does not start
  • #23 17430535
    bestler
    Admin of DIY, Automation
    I think that the easiest and cheapest way is to connect to another installation where the voltage from the panels is higher, even if only for a trial.
  • #24 17434658
    prose
    Level 35  
    Solaredge won't work because it doesn't have a power tracker, MPPT. And you can not connect the modules directly because the warranty is void.
  • #25 17435226
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    So there is no chance that solaredge inverters will start without power optimizers. I have already connected the voltage of 290V to the inverter a couple of times and hope nothing happened. Due to the fact that it is not possible to solve this problem, I ordered optimizers and when I connect it, I will write whether it started or not. Of course, you have to configure it.
  • #26 17447118
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    I bought P 300 optimizers 8 pcs. because I also have so many 300W panels. After connecting, the inverter read in - programmed them, it took maybe 5 minutes and it started. So just like FankyKoval wrote, these kinds of inverters won't do without optimizers. Thank you all .
  • #27 17873012
    pbm1
    Level 2  
    Hello.

    Admittedly, the fast is old, but I can't look at what things are written on the electrode.

    First and foremost, gentlemen - SolarEdge only works with optimizers and some knowledge is needed to plan and execute these installations.

    Secondly, Fronius does not and will not have a better efficiency, because the SE forces the optimal voltage on the optimizers, which allows the energy conversion efficiency to be kept constant and as high as possible. I will not mention that each module works separately, and this should be enough for people familiar with the topic of serial connections.

    Third, how can you write nonsense that something is better because it works in a wider range of tensions. The purpose of the inverter is to signal any system malfunctions. There are standards that the inverter has to meet in order to connect it to the network, failure to meet the standards may result in power failure, a penalty, and in the worst cases, compensation proceedings for failure of devices in the network. SE inverters also have the ability to change the voltage range, but you must not do it !!!

    Fourth, the inverters have 2 parameters as to the voltage supplied after DC, the first is the start voltage, the second is the MPP range. Usually the starting point is higher than the operating range, but not over 300V in a single-phase inverter !!! Good single-phase inverters start max from 180 V, and there are those that start below 100 V, while three-phase inverters usually start around 250 V, above 300 V, these are really sporadic cases, even it's hard for me to quickly give an example.

    I can understand everything, but how can an admin speak in subjunctive mode and advise adding modules to a system that he does not know at all. It would be appropriate to at least look at the generally available datasheets and instructions. You can, also always call the equipment distributor and ask, and not blindly give inappropriate advice on the basis of "usually, it ...". SolarEdge is a completely different idea of operation and has nothing to do with all "usually" that have become commonplace in the photovoltaic industry.

    Gentlemen, I'm sorry for the tone, but I have been assembling installations for over 6 years and my blood is flooding when I read something like that.

    Regards
  • #28 17873877
    norim_no
    Level 10  
    Hello, it's good that you are so good in this field of knowledge, which is Photovoltaic, not everyone has so much practice and the forum is to share knowledge and not to make someone's blood flood.
    First of all, I bought an inverter used and occasionally and I did not have time to check whether it would need power optimizers at all.
    Secondly, photovoltaics is a young field in our country and there are few IT specialists in this field to, for example, change the software in the inverter. I will write to you honestly ... that I would rather buy 2 panels than charge PLN 180 each. to each panel for optimizers. I am not overshadowed by them and do they give so many benefits ...? but that's my opinion.

    I also made a lightning protection installation and insured it.

    I greet everyone.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the SolarEdge SE3500 inverter and its compatibility with solar panels lacking power optimizers. The original poster inquires if the inverter can operate without optimizers, as they have connected eight solar panels but are experiencing issues with the inverter not producing power. Responses indicate that the SE3500 requires power optimizers to function properly due to its design, which lacks built-in Maximum Power Point Tracking (MPPT). Users suggest that the inverter will not start without optimizers and recommend purchasing them to ensure proper operation. The poster ultimately decides to buy eight P300 optimizers, which successfully allows the inverter to function after installation.
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