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Peugeot 307: Horn and Window Washers Not Working Despite BSM Module Replacement

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  • #1 17428495
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    Hello, I need help. I have a 307 peugeot in which the horn and washer of the front and rear windows do not work. I gave the car to the mechanic who replaced the bsi module and the switch on the steering wheel but unfortunately the problem was not solved because the horn and washer still did not work. He recommended replacing the bsm module. The module has been replaced and neither the horn nor the washer operate. I will add that when the horn is switched on, the relay in the engine compartment in the bsm module switches on and when I connect the horn and the washer pump for a short time, they work as they should. If you have any ideas, help where I can still look for a fault.
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  • #2 17428531
    jakubek56
    Level 32  
    Check fuses.
  • #3 17428544
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    fuses checked and are good.
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  • #4 17428616
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    Hello.
    Do I need help which cubes 1, 2 or 3 are responsible for controlling the horn and washer pump? Peugeot 307: Horn and Window Washers Not Working Despite BSM Module Replacement

    Is it possible to locate the fault via pins on the ankles?

    Thanks in advance for your help :) !


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  • #5 17428737
    jurekk55
    Level 36  
    All you need is a meter and 10 minutes of time. First check with Lexia or Diagbox whether the signals are transmitted and received. You didn't describe the car, so the magician's schemes should be different
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  • #6 17428744
    grzegorzlbn
    Level 10  
    Have you checked the power supply on the horn cables?
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  • #7 17428942
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    The car is Peugeot 307 year 2003 bsm 9650664180 B2. The signal was checked after switching the horn on, the relay is switched on in bsm, after unhooking the cube next to the horn, there is no power supply there, the same with the washer pump. If someone could tell me on which of these three cubes and on which pins are horn wires and washer pumps. I would like to check if the cable harness or the ground wire are sometimes damaged. Thank you very much in advance.
  • #8 17429021
    pepe150
    Level 36  
    Replaced BSM for a new or a drug?
    Damage may indicate damage to the beam, not electronics.
  • #9 17429099
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    Bsm was exchanged three times for use also bsm I would exclude. I checked the pin on the bsm module responsible for giving the plus to the cable from the washer pump and on this pin after turning on the washer no voltage appears
  • #10 17429110
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    Put a plus on the signal cable through the 21W bulb and check if you have a switch to BSM. The same washer. Unplug BSM plugins.
  • #11 17429137
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    I have a question about the weight on the steering wheel whether a lack of weight can cause a lack of horn and washers and whether the horn and washer have a common weight there?
  • #12 17429206
    andrzej20001
    Level 43  
    What mass? You have com and bsi digital signal. Search for bsm or bundle like a relay. I mean, go ahead
  • #13 17429269
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    I checked the beam and I connected the battery sharply with the battery and it works
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    #14 17429353
    grala1
    VAG group specialist
    You haven't provided specific data, but maybe these patterns will suit you.
    They are for the version without a rain sensor but this part may match the version with a sensor.
    The green BSM plug (3) controls the washer and horn.
    At the beginning, in your place, I would check if the ignition appears on the F13 fuse in the BSM voltage - that is, a 21W light bulb and connect it between the F13 fuse and the mass of the car - should light.
    As you can see from the diagram from this fuse goes power to the R4 relay built into the BSM which controls the sound signals. Then the power rushes to the BSM socket on pins 7 and 15.
    Then check the same fuse F14 in BSM, which supplies the built-in relays in BSM - R9 and R10 controlling the washer pump. These relays are used to change the voltage polarization at the BSM output where the pump is connected to change the direction of rotation - as you can see at the BSM output in normal state on both pins we have mass and now depending on which sprayer you turn on, the R9 or R10 relay is activated.
    You wrote that the sound signal relay is ticking so it is possible that the power supply from the fuse does not reach it, it has a burned working contact or the wire between the wild signals and the BSM is broken as long as they have ground.
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  • #15 17430417
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    I don't know if I've checked everything right, but according to the 5 and 13 pin scheme there should be mass and I should be 5 pins if there is nothing right. Are the wires in my ankle sometimes a little badly connected. ?

    Peugeot 307: Horn and Window Washers Not Working Despite BSM Module Replacement
  • #16 17447905
    Grzesiek kaczka
    Level 4  
    Thanks to your help the horn was repaired. Unfortunately, I have a problem with the washer poppump. There is no power on pins 11 and 14 on bsm responsible for controlling the washer pump. I have already replaced the bsm module three times and there was no power. Where can I still look for a fault?

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around a Peugeot 307 experiencing issues with the horn and window washers not functioning despite multiple replacements of the BSI and BSM modules. The user reports that the horn and washer pump work when directly connected, indicating potential wiring or relay issues. Suggestions include checking fuses, verifying power supply to the horn and washer pump, and examining the BSM connections. The user seeks specific pin information for the BSM module to troubleshoot further, as previous attempts to resolve the issue have been unsuccessful. Ultimately, the horn was repaired, but the washer pump remains non-functional, with no power detected at the relevant BSM pins.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 10 minutes with Lexia/Diagbox and a meter can isolate the fault. "All you need is a meter and 10 minutes of time." This FAQ is for Peugeot 307 owners fixing dead horn and washers without needless BSM/BSI swaps. [Elektroda, jurekk55, post #17428737]

Why it matters: You’ll restore safety-critical horn and washer functions faster while avoiding unnecessary parts purchases.

Quick Facts

What causes horn and washer failures together on a Peugeot 307?

Shared BSM power paths fail. The horn feed uses F13 and relay R4 to pins 7 and 15. Washers use F14 and relays R9 and R10 to pins 11 and 14. If relays click but outputs stay dead, suspect fuse feed or burned contacts. Load-test fuses with a 21W bulb. Verify ground at devices and continuity from the green plug. [Elektroda, grala1, post #17429353]

Which BSM connector and pins power the horn and washer pump?

Use the green BSM plug (labeled 3). Horn power leaves via relay R4 on pins 7 and 15. The washer pump uses relay pair R9/R10 on pins 11 and 14. Both pump pins sit at ground until a command reverses polarity. [Elektroda, grala1, post #17429353]

How do I load-test BSM fuses F13 and F14?

Follow this 3-step check:
  1. Clip a 21W bulb between F13 output and chassis ground with ignition on.
  2. Repeat on F14; the bulb must light brightly each time.
  3. If dim or dark, fix feed to the relay or fuse contacts. This reveals voltage drop that a multimeter can miss. [Elektroda, grala1, post #17429353]

My relay clicks but the horn is silent. What does that indicate?

A clicking relay means the coil energizes. The output may still be dead. Causes include no feed from F13 or burned relay contacts inside the BSM. Check voltage at pins 7 and 15 with a 21W bulb while pressing the horn. This is a known edge case. [Elektroda, grala1, post #17429353]

Can a bad ground on the steering wheel kill both horn and washers?

No. The steering wheel switch sends a digital command through the COM/BSI. It does not switch ground directly. The horn and washers rely on BSM outputs and device grounds. Test device grounds at the horn and pump separately. [Elektroda, andrzej20001, post #17429206]

How do I use Lexia/Diagbox to confirm the issue?

Connect Lexia/Diagbox and observe live data for horn and wash commands. Run actuator tests for horn and washer pump via BSI/BSM. “All you need is a meter and 10 minutes of time.” Confirm network commands before blaming hardware. [Elektroda, jurekk55, post #17428737]

I replaced the BSM and the washers still don't work. What next?

Stop swapping parts. In this case, three used BSMs changed nothing. Verify power at BSM pins 11 and 14 when commanding wash. Check F14 feed and connector seating on the green plug. Trace continuity from BSM to the pump. [Elektroda, Grzesiek kaczka, post #17447905]

How do I verify power at the horn connector safely?

Backprobe the horn connector while pressing the horn. Expect 12 V on the feed wire. If absent, load-test the circuit. “Put a plus on the signal cable through a 21W bulb” to confirm the path to BSM. Unplug other BSM connectors during this test. [Elektroda, andrzej20001, post #17429110]

How can I bench-test the horn and washer pump?

Disconnect the device and briefly power it from the battery with fused leads. The horn should sound and the pump should run. This confirms the devices are good. Reconnect and focus on supply and control circuits. Do not run the pump dry for long. [Elektroda, Grzesiek kaczka, post #17428495]

Could the wiring harness be the problem instead of electronics?

Yes. Harness damage can mimic module failure. Inspect the loom from the BSM to the horn and pump for breaks or corrosion. Flex points and front crossmember areas are common stress zones. Repair before replacing modules again. [Elektroda, pepe150, post #17429021]

Which specific fuses feed the horn and washer circuits?

Fuse F13 in the BSM feeds the horn relay R4. Fuse F14 feeds washer relays R9 and R10. Test both under load. Replace only with correct ratings. [Elektroda, grala1, post #17429353]

Why do both washer pump wires show ground when idle?

The BSM uses two relays as a polarity reverser for the pump. At rest, both pump pins sit at ground. When you command front or rear wash, one pin flips to 12 V to reverse rotation. [Elektroda, grala1, post #17429353]

No power on BSM pins 11 and 14 during wash command—what does it mean?

It means the washer H-bridge output is inactive. In the thread case, pins 11 and 14 had no power. Confirm F14 feed, check R9/R10 activation, and inspect plug seating and wiring continuity. [Elektroda, Grzesiek kaczka, post #17447905]
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