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Suzuki Grand Vitara II 1.9 - Problem with the cooling system (ejects fluid)

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  • #1 17474957
    Anatrax
    Level 2  
    Hello,

    I would like to present to you my problem that accompanies my Suzuki Grand Vitara II 1.9 Ddis car from 2007.

    According to the car's mileage, it's time to replace the timing gear. I decided to buy a set from Contitech (timing gear + pump). After finishing the replacement and venting by the mechanics, I picked up the car and drove close to the house.

    Unfortunately, as it turned out later in days, I noticed that it ejected coolant through the expansion tank, and more precisely through the plug. I looked under the hood because the pointer while driving jumped literally in a second from the temperature that was equal to the half on the red field (max 5s) and then it returned to the half.

    Concerned, I started reading the first posts on the web, which could be the reasons. I thought - the system may still have air in it. From my observations, it showed that the liquid was only thrown out on a small circuit. After opening the large circuit, it no longer ejected liquid, but only a little bit remained at the bottom in the expansion tank (below the minimum). Unfortunately, I couldn't cope with it myself.

    So the car went to the mechanic again, tried to vent again, to no avail. So on our next visit we made a bet that it might be a Thermostat, that it opens too late or cuts, etc. CHANGED - but unfortunately the symptom hasn't stopped.
    In the meantime, black sediment appeared in the expansion tank. (it wasn't oil).

    Reading further on the Internet, I read that the symptom may also be caused by damage to the head gasket and the ingress of exhaust gases into the cooling system. That's why I bought a test for CO2 in the expansion tank. I did the test and it really turned from blue to green (it detected the exhaust gases in the tank - according to the instructions)

    So the car goes back to the mechanic, the head goes to another factory (the best one chosen in nearby places) to plan and check for leaks, replace the seals etc. All new gaskets and bolts were ordered, almost everything from ERLING. (head, collector, vacuum pump, etc.)
    After picking up the first run again and the fluid dumped again.

    This time the mechanics were betting that maybe I had a faulty pump in the set, the impeller was a bit different from the original one I had installed. So I ordered a pump from another company. However, this pattern also turned out to be wrong.

    Mechanics have already said that they checked the patency of the hoses, bypassed the heater, cooler, EGR cooler, thermostat, vented several times ... and unfortunately they already lack ideas what else it could be. The test still shows the presence of fumes in the system. Before replacing the timing gear, there were no disturbing symptoms or engine problems. Please help. What else can be checked and what could have caused such a defect ... Thank you in advance for any help.
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  • #2 17475244
    arekcnc4
    Level 11  
    Hello.
    And a friend tried to simply replace the cork?
    greetings
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  • #3 17475400
    Bulisander
    Level 7  
    Hello, I have the same problem, the same symptoms I have been fighting for 3 months and my hands are dropping, maybe someone will suggest something
  • #4 17475591
    helmud7543
    Level 43  
    If there are exhaust fumes in the system, there is no point in looking for other causes without eliminating blow-by. Leakage in UPG, head or block.
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  • #5 17475959
    Anatrax
    Level 2  
    arekcnc4 - yes, I bought a new plug ... and also checked the plug from another car that had the same tank.

    helmud7543 - flattened head, tested tightness, new gaskets ... but the test still stains green. Are you betting the block?
  • #6 17476169
    genek1000
    Level 35  
    There is a Reno engine with which I do not associate such problems. The question is whether the Suzuki has not put some strange accessories there - the turbine is sometimes not water-cooled?
    Look on the Renault Megane / laguna forums to see if someone has struggled with such a problem.
  • #7 17476473
    helmud7543
    Level 43  
    The gasket or block, or in fact the turbine, is incorrectly fitted if it is physically connected to the cooling system. This exhaust gas is coming from somewhere, it has to be a place where there is pressure and where there is a physical possibility of exhaust gas leaking.
  • #8 17476736
    Bulisander
    Level 7  
    That's right, the turbine in this model is liquid-cooled

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    That's right, the turbine in this model is liquid-cooled
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  • #9 17491918
    Bulisander
    Level 7  
    Hello, did your colleague understand the topic with fluid

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    Hello, did your colleague understand the topic with fluid
  • #10 17516500
    Anatrax
    Level 2  
    Hello,

    Unfortunately, I am still struggling with this problem. The head has been checked for tightness the second time in another plant - it is tight.
    Two other cars were checked by the tester to confirm the credibility - it does not show exhaust gases on operational cars, so the result is reliable.
    How can I check / exclude a block? Should there be no other symptoms with a cracked block? Because with me, apart from the liquid thrown out through the cork and hard wires, you can not see anything.
  • #11 17517602
    genek1000
    Level 35  
    Bulisander wrote:
    That's right, the turbine in this model is liquid-cooled

    Did you check this turbine?
  • #12 17556745
    Anatrax
    Level 2  
    Turbine also checked, unfortunately also unchanged after work around ...
  • #13 17557803
    genek1000
    Level 35  
    So it looks like a block.
    There are plants that specialize in such inspections - unfortunately, it involves taking the engine into a screw to get a clean / bare block.
    It is cheaper to buy a used post.
  • #14 17575148
    Bulisander
    Level 7  
    Hello, friend, I covered the topic by replacing the engine and it's ok broken monolith in the block after a deeper verification of the engine I looked for a bit of work from Reno Megan and it's ok because the price of the Suzuki engine is space greetings
  • #15 17774764
    piotr1721
    Level 1  
    Hello all.

    I have the same situation in GV 1.9. Ejects fluid on a cold engine. Almost everything has already been replaced in the car (valve timing, original water pump, radiator, thermostat, water pipes and finally the second engine after general renovation), the situation is still unchanged - help because my hands are falling, I have been fighting this beast for half a year. Greetings.
  • #16 17775472
    genek1000
    Level 35  
    piotr1721 wrote:
    until finally the second engine after general renovation

    Then advertise this engine and buy one that has not yet been pushed to the claws :D
  • #17 21097745
    agyuraszi
    Level 1  
    For all GV 1.9 DDIS users, facing the issue when coolant boils out from the degassing tank...

    If everything else in the cooling system seems to be in order, the culprit is the EGR cooler (located in the left side of the engine right besides the catalytic converter; part number is 8200657537 - Google it and check for variations). Had been facing this issue for 3 years, no service could remediate it. It was cracked and the hot exhaust gases were directly forced into the coolant, filling the system with hot gases and preventing normal cooler circulation. Once found it out, I have shortcutted the cooling system temporarily, everything works just fine, no spillage. Ordered a SH replacement part gonna install it and reply back. OEM ones are priced pretty spicy, more than 400 Euros new.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around a cooling system issue in a 2007 Suzuki Grand Vitara II 1.9 DDIS, where coolant is ejected through the expansion tank cap after a timing gear replacement. Users suggest various potential causes, including air in the system, exhaust gas leaks from the head gasket or block, and issues with the EGR cooler. Some participants have experienced similar problems, leading to extensive repairs without resolution. A specific recommendation points to the EGR cooler as a possible culprit, which, if cracked, can introduce exhaust gases into the coolant, disrupting normal circulation. Users also discuss the possibility of replacing the engine if the block is found to be cracked.
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