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1000L Mauzer Tank for Pressurized Water in Basement Plastering: Hydrophore or 24L Compressor?

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  • #1 17489592
    Kons18
    Level 12  
    Hello. I have a throat situation. In 2 weeks they come to do plastering in the basement, today I got an appointment from the waterworks to connect the water on November 20. I have to somehow get pressurized water to the plastering machine. I have a 1000 liter tank under the roof gutter. What is the easiest way to create pressure in it to ensure proper operation of the unit? I was thinking about a hydrophore that I would have to buy. I also have a 24 liter compressor pumping up to 8 bar. I wonder if it's not too much for such a tank, will it last? Anyone have any experience?
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    #2 17489664
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    acc. this video, this is what an IBC looks like at 4 bar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dBNouZ8xH0
    It doesn't look good. In the water supply network, the pressure is often below 3 bar, and the minimum is probably 0.5 bar. So the chiller should work properly when the pressure is 0.5 bar. I would add to this another 0.5 bar for resistance in the supply hoses and changes in the working height of the unit.
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    #3 17489666
    soniak2
    Level 21  
    This tank can't handle any pressure.

    I used to pour water into it without a frame, at 300 liters I was afraid that it would burst under the pressure of the water column.

    You need at least 2 bar for the plastering unit to work properly. There is no way without a hydrophore.

    Maybe a neighbor will give you a water tap.
  • #4 17489697
    Kons18
    Level 12  
    I'm too far from my nearest neighbor. Why won't it withstand any pressure? I have a tank without a frame and it was often filled up to the cap and nothing happened. Even one winter it froze - it got bigger but did not crack. I think that the pressure of 3-4 bar would easily withstand the current consumption. I would turn on the compressor only when unscrewing the water drain valve .
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    #5 17489698
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    Maybe a submersible pump will suffice? They are relatively cheap.
  • #6 17489734
    Kons18
    Level 12  
    I have such a pump, but it will not go through the tank opening. I also wonder if it will generate the right pressure if the tank is, for example, 1 meter lower than the aggregate. By the way, does anyone know how much water such aggregates consume depending on the type of plaster in converted into kilograms or square meters of plastered surface?
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    #7 17489742
    soniak2
    Level 21  
    The bag must say how much water is needed
  • #8 17489749
    Kons18
    Level 12  
    soniak2 wrote:
    The bag must say how much water is needed


    Fact. I didn't think about it. I'll check it tomorrow. I mean how long will these 1000 liters last, because I won't order rain 8-O
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    #9 17489758
    soniak2
    Level 21  
    On one page I read that the consumption is about 16 liters per 30 kg bag, plus some amount of water for washing tools.
  • #10 17489808
    freebsd
    Level 42  
    On this website www.tynki-fachbud.pl/faq there is information:
    "The average water consumption is approx. 1000 liters per 100 m2 (cubic) in the case of gypsum plasters. When it comes to cement-lime plasters, the water consumption is much lower and amounts to approx. 500 liters per 100 m2."

    A tank without a frame will probably be much less pressure resistant.

    If you have a submersible pump, the one from the market that raises water up to 5m, it will be too weak.
    I found on Allegro a pump for deep wells with a minimum hole diameter of 110mm: HECHT SUBMERSIBLE WELL PUMP with a power of 600 W. Max. lifting height 70 m. This one looks sufficient.

    For cooperation with aggregates, the following pump is recommended on several pages: AV 3000.
    It has the following parameters: 600 W, pressure 5.5 bar, capacity 3000 l/h.
  • #11 17490010
    zimny8
    Level 33  
    freebsd wrote:
    A tank without a frame will probably be much less pressure resistant.

    Strap the tank around with a strap with a tensioner or something similar.
    It will definitely withstand these 3-4 bars, unless it has a defect.
    I bought two such used tanks for PLN 100, so where to pump / hydrophore.
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  • #12 17490013
    janek1815
    Level 38  
    How many meters of plaster do you have to do? You're not going to wait for the rain to continue plastering, are you?
  • #13 17511319
    Kons18
    Level 12  
    350 square meters to be plastered. 2 tanks already filled. Tomorrow I will install a hydrophore. Regards.
  • #14 17535398
    Kons18
    Level 12  
    As I said, I installed the hydrophore and am waiting for professionals. The hydrophore is Einhell with a capacity of 20 liters. It turns on at a pressure of 1.5 bar and turns off at 3.5 bar. After unscrewing the valve behind the filter to the max, the hydrophore maintains a pressure of 1 bar and pumps all the time Is it possible to increase its efficiency? Which knob is used to set the switch-on pressure and which is the switch-off pressure?
    1000L Mauzer Tank for Pressurized Water in Basement Plastering: Hydrophore or 24L Compressor?
    1000L Mauzer Tank for Pressurized Water in Basement Plastering: Hydrophore or 24L Compressor?
    1000L Mauzer Tank for Pressurized Water in Basement Plastering: Hydrophore or 24L Compressor?

    The last photo shows the back of the compressor with the pump drawn and the indicator 1.5 bar. I understand that this is the pressure inside the tank. Can it be increased? Where to pump it, will it increase the efficiency of the hydrophore?
  • #15 17536289
    Covul
    Level 18  
    If you have 1 bar at full opening, you won't squeeze out more, unless you choke the valve. You regulate the pressure and hysteresis of the pressure switch with nuts painted red, the larger spring is responsible for the activation pressure, the smaller one for the difference between switching on and off. Under the black cap on the hydrophore tank you have a valve, just like with the tires, with the pump turned off and the outlet open, you should blow the pressure there by 0.2 bar lower than the pump start pressure, it will not change its efficiency, as well as the regulation of the start and stop pressure.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the need for pressurized water for plastering in a basement, specifically using a 1000L tank. Users debate the feasibility of using a hydrophore versus a 24L compressor for generating the necessary pressure. It is noted that the tank may not withstand high pressure without a frame, with recommendations suggesting at least 2 bar for proper operation. Alternatives like submersible pumps are considered, but concerns about pressure generation and tank height are raised. Users share insights on water consumption for plastering, with estimates of 16 liters per 30 kg bag and 1000 liters per 100 m² for gypsum plaster. The author ultimately decides to install a hydrophore, specifically an Einhell model, and seeks advice on optimizing its pressure settings.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Minimum 2 bar is needed for plastering machines; "This tank can't handle any pressure." Use a hydrophore or submersible pump, not a compressor or pressurized IBC. [Elektroda, soniak2, post #17489666]

Why it matters: For renovators feeding plastering machines from a 1000 L IBC without mains, safe, steady pressure avoids damage and delays.

Quick Facts

Can I pressurize a 1000 L IBC (Mauzer) tank with a compressor?

No. An IBC is not a pressure vessel and can fail dangerously. “This tank can't handle any pressure.” Use a hydrophore or a proper pump to feed the machine. A compressor adds unsafe, fluctuating pressure and air. [Elektroda, soniak2, post #17489666]

Will an IBC survive 3–4 bar?

At around 4 bar, IBC walls deform in video tests. “It doesn't look good.” Treat IBCs as atmospheric storage only. For pressure, install a pump on the outlet with suitable plumbing. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489664]

What pressure do plastering machines need to run?

Plan for at least 2 bar at the machine inlet. That level allows proper operation of many plastering aggregates. Keep lines short and unobstructed to maintain set pressure. [Elektroda, soniak2, post #17489666]

How much extra pressure should I allow for hoses and height?

Add about 0.5 bar to cover hose losses and elevation changes. This buffer helps keep the aggregate stable during continuous draw. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489664]

How much water do I need for gypsum or cement‑lime plaster?

Approximate usage: 1000 liters per 100 m² for gypsum plasters. Cement‑lime plasters need about 500 liters per 100 m². Reserve extra water for cleaning the machine and tools. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489808]

How much water does one 30 kg bag require?

Expect about 16 liters per 30 kg bag. Keep additional water for washing equipment and lines after runs. [Elektroda, soniak2, post #17489758]

What pump specs work best with plastering machines?

Use a pump designed for aggregates. Example: AV 3000 offers ~5.5 bar pressure, ~3000 L/h flow, and 600 W. These parameters sustain pressure under continuous operation. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489808]

My submersible pump won’t fit the tank opening. What can I use?

Choose a slim deep‑well submersible with a small required hole, e.g., 110 mm. A 600 W Hecht unit lists 70 m head and 110 mm minimum hole diameter. Verify your tank cap size before purchase. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489808]

How do I set my hydrophore’s start/stop and tank precharge?

  1. Cut power and open an outlet. Adjust the pressure switch: large spring sets start pressure; small spring sets hysteresis.
  2. Under the black cap, set air precharge via the Schrader valve to 0.2 bar below start pressure.
  3. Close the outlet and test under flow. These settings don’t increase pump efficiency. [Elektroda, Covul, post #17536289]

Can raising the air pressure in the hydrophore tank increase flow?

No. Precharge affects cycling and drawdown, not pump output or efficiency. Changing start/stop pressures also does not increase pump efficiency. Improve flow by plumbing or pump sizing instead. [Elektroda, Covul, post #17536289]

Why do I only see about 1 bar when the valve is fully open?

Your pump has reached its flow limit at that opening. It cannot build more pressure while delivering that volume. Partially close the valve to raise pressure, or upgrade the pump. [Elektroda, Covul, post #17536289]

How long will 1000 L last if I plan 350 m² of gypsum?

At ~1000 L per 100 m², 350 m² needs about 3500 L. Two 1000 L tanks cover roughly 200 m². Arrange additional water for the remainder and cleanup. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489808]

Is using a neighbor’s tap a viable workaround?

Yes, if available. A neighbor’s tap was suggested as a practical alternative to on‑site pressurization. Confirm pressure and access before scheduling work. [Elektroda, soniak2, post #17489666]

Does placing the tank 1 m below the machine affect pressure?

Elevation reduces available inlet pressure. Choose a pump with ample head, such as ~5.5 bar, to cover losses and lift. Aggregate‑rated pumps meet these requirements reliably. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489808]

Is strapping the tank a safe way to pressurize it?

No. Even with straps, plastic IBCs deform at higher pressures. A video shows visible deformation at ~4 bar. Treat IBCs as non‑pressurized containers. [Elektroda, freebsd, post #17489664]
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