Correct Inflation of 300L Hydrophore: Proper Air Pressure & Pump Range for Optimal Water Usage

Hello!
I have a problem with filling the hydrophore with air, so I am asking you for advice, namely:

I have a 300l hydrophore and, like every year, I have to pump up the air to replenish the airbag, and thus reduce the frequency of the pump switching on. So far, it is not bad, because on one range I take about 30l of water, but that's still not much. The pump turns on at 2.2atm -4.2 off and so far I took about 40-45l of water and you were enough.

Today I tried to pump up the hydrophore itself without calling the person who deals with it for a fee , but I think I failed, but I suspect what I did wrong, namely:

1 pumping: the pump pounded on 4.2atm of water, it turned off, I started pumping but the water from the installation started to leak and the air did not pump up = I already know that this is the wrong way.

2 pumping: I drained the water to 2.2 atm so that the pump would turn on and off. Manually, I started to fill it with air, I managed to inflate it from 1atm to 3atm even 3.5, but I think it was also a bad way because it seems to me that what I pumped up did nothing, the pillow did not do as it was.

Should it be that you have to drain almost all the water from the hydrophore and then pump it? Please describe this process as it should look like.


I know that there is too much water in my hydrophore because on the water level indicator on the side there is no visible plastic tube on it, and it is completely filled with water, i.e. the tank is filled with 85-90% water, I know that after pumping the air the level should be visible on this indicator on the side, how much is there, and it is not visible on the mime, i.e. that the tank is almost full.

So you have little air.
In your case, you turn off the hydrophore. You wait until the pressure drops to 2.2 and you add the air (e.g. with a compressor or pump) to 4.2 bar. And so over and over again until the water level at a pressure of 2.2 bar or higher is below half the gauge (preferably 5 cm from the bottom at 2.2 bar). After all, you turn on the hydrophore. In your case, one cartridge should be about 100-140 liters of water. And an important piece of advice, you need to put the air pumping hose above the water level because it will pour in a pump or compressor.

woda_cisowianka007 wrote:

The pump turns on at 2.2atm -4.2 turns off

So your pressure switch is well set. Regarding the tapping of the air, I do it a bit differently and it takes me less time. Instead

sigwa18 wrote:

You wait until the pressure drops to 2.2 and you add the air (e.g. with a compressor or pump) to 4.2 bar. And so over and over again until the water level at a pressure of 2.2 bar or higher is below half the gauge (preferably 5 cm from the bottom at 2.2 bar)

I drain the water to the "max" level on the water gauge and add air to 4.2 bar and the hydrophore works properly.

Wawrzyniec, maybe I will use your method, I will do so that I drain the water to 0 or so the frog could see the water level from 5 cm from the bottom on the water gauge or (I heard that the water must be above the drain pipe from the hydrophore which goes to the taps so that the air DOES NOT ESCAPE) or something which option to choose and then I punch air to 4.2 air, okay, but if I get so much, then what? because the pump will not turn on at this point, I just have to drain the water from the tap and the air can escape through the tap together with the water before it drops to 2.2 and the pump will fill the water, right?

sigwa18 your way your way seems good to me but, what does it mean to repeat several times? it loads the air to 4.2 and then I drain the water in the tap to 2.2 and then I pump the air to 4.2 by the pote4m and let it drain again until the water indicator on the water gauge can be seen in the half below, is that it? how many times do you have to repeat something like this?
Thanks for writing that the compressor is to be above the hose and the tap because it will get water, because I just had a problem with it: /

The "minimum" level on the gauge must be above the hydrophore discharge pipe. You can also do this: you fill the hydrophore with water to the "minimum" level. You check the pressure, it must be 2.2 bar, because this is the pump activation pressure, if less, you pump air. If it was higher, the pump would not start and the water (level) could go down even below the water pipe. Then you start the hydrophore. It should switch off at the "max" level on the gauge and a pressure of 4.2 bar. If the tank would fill above the "max" mark, you have two options: either lower the pump switch-off pressure (then you have a lower pressure in the system with the tank full (on the water gauge max) when the pump is switched off by the pressure switch), or increase the pump switch-on pressure, so that the pump starts when the level reaches the minimum level on the gauge (to prevent air from escaping from the tank)
Ps. The best way to add air is at the top of the tank. It may be on the upper exit from the gauge.

Wawrzyniec wrote:

Then you turn on the hydrophore. It should switch off at the "max" level on the gauge and a pressure of 4.2 bar. If the tank would fill above the "max" mark, you have two options: either lower the pump switch-off pressure (then you have a lower pressure in the system with the tank full (on the water gauge max) when the pump is switched off by the pressure switch), or increase the pump switch-on pressure, so that the pump starts when the level reaches the minimum level on the gauge (to prevent air from escaping from the tank)
Ps. The best way to add air is at the top of the tank. It may be on the upper exit from the gauge.

First of all, I bet that there are no min and max markings on the water gauge. Secondly, when the water level will be at the bottom of the gauge and the pressure on the barrel will be 2.2 bar, then when the hydrophore is turned on and the water reaches 4.2, the water level will be a little behind the half gauge (yes 3/5). As a general rule, the level should be as low as possible at the pressure of switching on the hydrophore, but not yet so as to allow air to escape into the system. We are not interested in the maximum level when killing us.

sigwa18 wrote:

First of all, I bet that there are no min and max markings on the water gauge

You don't have to bet. I have not met the factory water gauge marked. I called so the conventional water levels that you can mark yourself.

sigwa18 wrote:

As a general rule, the level should be as low as possible at the pressure of switching on the hydrophore, but not yet so as to allow air to escape into the system.

Yes and no. Where there is often a shortage of electricity, I set the "max" level to 3-4 cm from the top of the gauge and pressurize the air to the switch-off pressure. If there is no electricity, the air from the tank will not escape, and the pillow is sufficient.

Cool, gentlemen ... There is no tag, but it doesn't matter to me. There is simply too much water in the tank because the entire gauge is filled with water. I do not know if, when the pump is turned on, as it is at 2.2, you can even see something on it, but probably not so much water. But never mind that, I know it's not as it should be. Just tell me how to fill the air so that it was ok?

First of all, you need to have something and an entrance to punch.
What? For example, a pump is better with a compressor.
As? You need to find a spout with which you will force air into the barrel. I have an adapter permanently mounted to the upper exit of the level gauge from 1/2 inch to the air nipple and finish it off with a compressor. The procedure is as follows: you turn off the water pump and drain it, the best way to use the water is until the level drops to the bottom of the gauge. In the meantime, you can add air to the pressure, but not more than 2.2. You finish the operation as soon as the level is at the bottom of the dipstick at 2.2 bar.

Wawrzyniec wrote:

You can do this: you pour water into the hydrophore to the "minimum" level. You check the pressure, it must be 2.2 bar, because this is the pump activation pressure, if less, you pump air

Wawrzyniec wrote:

The best way to add air is at the top of the tank. It may be on the upper exit from the gauge.

I have something to pump up the air, I borrowed a compressor from a friend and I have an amateur ball valve made in the pigsty by the tap, I unscrew and fill the air that goes directly to the hydrophore (omitting the check valve) I also have 2 options in the basement at the hydrophore, the same valve and pumping but the air is blocking the check valve and as I remember recently someone wanted to pump it there, it probably blocked the air and instead of the hydro it went to the well ... that's why I have to use the first version: /

I just checked that by draining the water from the hydro and turned off the pump, the water on the gauge is noticeable about 2atm you can see at the top, dropping more drops down also I already know more or less how much water is there ....

Now go down with the water with the hydrophore disconnected to 1/4 on the gauge, boost the air to 2.2 bar, connect the hydrophore, let it pump up the water and it should be approx.

Ok, I will do it today or tomorrow and let you know what and how. And how do I do it and the pump will turn on at 2.2 and off, and at 4.2, how many letters of water should be caught on one turn on?

I did as you said, buddy, and there is improvement. I let the water drop somewhere at 10 cm from the bottom on the water gauge and added the air to about 2.2 atm, turned on the pump, pushed it up to 4.1 atm. and then I checked how many buckets of water would be taken with such a switch on, I do not know how many exactly the L bucket has, but I took 6 full buckets, it can have about 10l, i.e. about 60l, that's a lot because I used to take about 3-4 buckets, such max also improvement is. And when the pump turns off, you can see the water level from the top about 5cm on the water gauge, and before that it was not visible at all, also the airbag is bigger. In my opinion, it is already as well, and what will you say, it can stay that way? Does it work well?


PS tomorrow I have to give the compressor back, so it can stay that way or try to drain a little water with 10ms on the indicator and hit with 1 line on the clock what will result from 2 buckets more somewhere what are you saying?

Give the water level to the minimum still visible on the gauge and bring the pressure up to 2.2.

I did it, now I have about 70l on one turn on. But a bit when the pump is about to turn on, low pressure is in the tap, but it must stay like this because I have already given the compressor. Anyway, for my use, what I use a little water on a daily basis is enough.
And by the way, there is one more thing I do not think about, because when the pump hits and it is supposed to turn off, the tip is at 4.1 lines and with the taps turned off, 2 lines fall everywhere from this, i.e. I always have 3.4 lines, but I do not know Why, because the water is not escaping anywhere, could it somehow back up or something back to the well or something that does not hold the check valve ??? A bit strange.

Hello, I have a problem with pumping up the air in the hydrophore, water leaks after pressing the vent, what should I do in such a situation?

Normal symptom. The pressure pushes the water out. The only advice is to lift the hose from the gun pump up and immediately after connecting it, create the pressure so that it is greater and the water does not flow into the pump / gun hose.

kondziukondziu wrote:

Hello, I have a problem with pumping up the air in the hydrophore, water leaks after pressing the vent, what should I do in such a situation?

Here it is: -> Checking and topping up the pressure in the diaphragm tank

I have just a 150l diaphragm tank and a pressure of 2 bars without water, switching on about 2.5 and switching off about 6. About 60 liters of water will fall out of a full tank and turn on, is it normal? And why is the overall system pressure low?

I turn on the hdrofor to the level of about 2 cm above the "max" indication, and then turn it off and pump the air with the compressor to the pressure to turn off the pump. And it's ok.

Hello.
As spring is coming and the pressure in my tap has dropped terribly recently, I would like to refresh my topic. Namely, the airbag in my hydrophore has decreased, and thus the amount of water has increased, and I have min. on more than half and the maximum is 30 cm from the top of the water level. I know that my last method of filling water was not entirely good, i.e. something far but poor. Therefore, I would like to consult you again.

PS Sory for spelling but I do not have PL characters on this computer.

There are no other ways or even how they are all down to the same thing anyway. Supplements the pillows. Air escapes anyway, either through leaks or with water (it dissolves in it), so you have to refill. To reduce the leakage of air with water, diaphragm tanks were introduced (among other things)

I know, in my case the air is probably escaping from the water because I have no leakage. So, according to you, which method is the best?

Turn off the hydrophore, drain the water to the level of 2-3 cm on the gauge (from the bottom), pump the air up to 2.2 bar and turn on the hydrophore. All.

Oh, okay, for your eye, if air is pumped, there is some limit to how much it should be there because they say differently, for example, 0.5atm or 1atm, as is the truth in this?

As I wrote leave the water in the tank enough for you to see it in the gauge at the bottom and pump air to a pressure of 2.2 bar. Start the hydrophore. Check at what pressure it turns off . This 2.2 bar is the air pressure, and this is how much it should be to get the pressure (not any 0.5 or 1). There are also different units, but for hadrophore purposes you might take 1 atm = 1bar

OK thanks . I'll let you know how to do.

PS Recently I had a problem with it, because I did it this way, I drained the water to 2.2 bar until the pump turned on and then I pumped 1 or 1.5 bar, or do3 bar on the water gauge, and the pump finished the rest, but it did not do anything: /

We turn off the hydrophore, drain the water to a minimum on the water gauge (as much as no air goes into the installation) and pressurize a little below the hydrophore is turned on. Sometimes the pressure will be too low to push the water out and allow it to drain, then you can reach the pressure of switching on the hydrophore, then drain the water to a minimum on the gauge and make the air to a pressure of 0.1 bar below the pressure of switching on the hydrophore. We turn on the hydrophore and it's ready.

Ok, thank you gentlemen for the info.