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Capacitor Replacement: ESR, Capacitance & Thresholds (47uF/16V Example) - When to Change?

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  • #1 17745100
    S.Borewicz
    Level 7  
    Good morning,
    when replacing capacitors, check their capacitance and ESR. I wonder when a capacitor with increased ESR is suitable for replacement.

    I suggest this table:
    Capacitor Replacement: ESR, Capacitance & Thresholds (47uF/16V Example) - When to Change?

    It is a pity that there is no specified ESR parameter range that you can stick to. Here a fixed number is given and the more it deviates from it, the lower the quality of such a capacitor. The question is, how wide should such a border be?

    For example, I now have a CD on the table, I desoldered some of the capacitors for verification. These are 47uF/16V capacitors and according to table ESR should be 1 Ohm, with mine it is on average 2.1-2.2 Ohm. Not much more, but more than 100% of what the table shows.
    Capacitance relatively preserved, 45-47uF.

    Is such a capacitor eligible for replacement?
    Are there any limits to the ESR parameter that should be strictly adhered to?
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    #2 17745149
    kazikszach
    Level 38  
    In my opinion, it depends on the function of the capacitor in the system.
    If it is a capacitor that filters the power supply, then with such an increase there will be ripples and the capacitor will heat up, if it is a coupling capacitor, it will still work.
  • #3 17745360
    S.Borewicz
    Level 7  
    Capacitors probably filter the power supply, I don't have a schematic and can't find it anywhere.
    I ordered a few pieces of new ELNs, I will measure them and compare them to the 26-year-old Nippons.

    For comparison, from the same equipment, ELWA has a slightly increased capacity and ESR lower than that in the table.

    Added after 14 [hours] 9 [minutes]:

    I have one more question, can the new capacitor, as a result of work in the system, burn-in reduce its ESR? Or just the other way around?

    Added after 3 [hours] 8 [minutes]:

    I measured the new Nichicon FG electrolytes, they have an ESR of 0.91, so the choice is clear.
    I would be grateful if someone could tell what possible range of ESR is acceptable for capacitors, any table would be welcome.
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  • #4 17747054
    hajy
    Level 22  
    Hello

    From what I noticed capacitors that worked a bit have lower esr than new ones. These were probably panasonic FC and FM, measured with the atlas esr meter, but these were not big changes.
    The best source of information, which should be the esr, is the documentation, but this is a problem with older capacitors.

    Regards, Romek
  • #5 21446948
    jakubtopolski05
    Level 12  
    And if the ESR is 0, is it already to be replaced?
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  • #6 21447144
    kazikszach
    Level 38  
    jakubtopolski05 wrote:
    And if the ESR is 0, it is already to be replaced?
    .
    Is this a mockery or a genuine question?
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  • #7 21447285
    jakubtopolski05
    Level 12  
    >>21447144 When you were a beginner, did they write you like that too? Master yourself
  • #8 21448757
    W.P.
    Computer PSUs specialist
    Until switched-mode power supplies came into daily use displacing continuous power supplies, hardly anyone considered the ESR parameter. No one was bothered by capacitors 10, 20 or older, except of course in cases that necessitated replacement.

    It is easy to buy any meter today, so anyone can try their hand at it. One sometimes reads posts that the replacement has significantly improved the sound of the amplifier.
    Maybe it did, after all there are new capacitors with low ESR. :) .
    It doesn't matter where, if the electrolyte is the one to replace.

    And this is how home-grown professionals often replace old, often good quality capacitors with modern crap, but new and importantly with low ESR.

    And the reality is that this parameter is only important in impulse circuits, where a large current flows through the capacitor. This is the case in switching power supplies when the capacitor is charged by a pulse with an almost rectangular slope.
    This is what we are dealing with in impulse power supplies on the secondary side. This is where improved capacitors are needed to minimise the heating of the electrolyte leading to gradual drying out and loss of capacity.
  • #9 21448773
    kazikszach
    Level 38  
    jakubtopolski05 wrote:
    >>21447144 When you were a beginner, did they write you like that too? Get a grip
    .
    Some difference, because I started more than half a century ago and imagine there was no internet and everything was looked up in magazines or books.

Topic summary

The discussion centers on the replacement of capacitors, specifically focusing on the significance of Equivalent Series Resistance (ESR) and capacitance values. A user inquires about the implications of increased ESR in a 47uF/16V capacitor, noting that their measured ESR is 2.1-2.2 Ohm, exceeding the recommended 1 Ohm. Responses indicate that the necessity for replacement depends on the capacitor's role in the circuit; for power supply filtering, higher ESR can lead to performance issues, while coupling capacitors may tolerate higher ESR. The user also questions whether new capacitors can experience a reduction in ESR over time. Measurements of new Nichicon FG electrolytes show an ESR of 0.91 Ohm, suggesting a clear choice for replacement. The discussion highlights the lack of standardized ESR ranges for older capacitors, emphasizing the importance of manufacturer documentation for accurate assessments.
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