Using Smartphone NFC as SATEL Access Control Card: RFID Key Duplication & Compatibility

Hello

I am looking for information whether it is possible to use a smartphone with NFC as an access card for SATEL's access control. From what I can see from the documentation, 125kHz passive transponders are supported. I saw videos on Youtube about copying the RFID key from key fobs, but it does not work too much on the access card.

Regards
Peter

He has not yet invented a system integrated with the Satel bus. They only give 125khz

Recently, we discussed a similar topic with the constructor in the company (it was about an intercom with NFC as a key) - the conclusion was that there was no point in introducing "as standard" a little more complicated to implement and secure technology for the "selected few" and to order people exchange electronic tags when we have perfectly working, simple and widely available technology now. NFC takes some time to roll out to the public sector before it becomes the standard of everything.

You can always try to copy an RFID tag with youtube or check with Asians - they seem to be living a few years ahead

You can read about these technologies, for example, here: https://www.nfc24.pl/rfid-nfc and here (it's a study for an economic university): https://www.researchgate.net/publication/3183...hnologii_RFID_i_NFC_w_zastosaniem_biznesowych

Besides - attack manufacturers with applications for such solutions - nothing but profit works so well for the constructors and company management as a list of e-mails and transcription of telephone calls with customer requests for new functions

In my opinion, all you need is a mifare card reader and an application on your phone that emulates a card with a permanent id number

In my opinion, technology is in phones and people cannot do without them. What they have at hand is the most convenient and NFC is already on the market needed in the satellite. This is my opinion, but not only.

Serwis_LX wrote:

Recently, we discussed a similar topic with the constructor in the company (it was about an intercom with NFC as a key) - the conclusion was that there was no point in introducing "as standard" a little more complicated to implement and secure technology for the "selected few" and to order people exchange electronic tags when we have perfectly working, simple and widely available technology now.

And competition (vect) introduced

I am also thinking about such an application.
In my opinion, there are at least two roads.
1. SATEL + ARDUINO / RASPBERRY WITH MODULE
2. SATEL + INT-RS Plus + RS232 RFID NFC 13.56 MHz (I don't know how yet, because it requires implementation on the side of the reading module)
3. SATEL + ROGER and MCT80M-BLE module

Of course, only the integrated control panels come into play ...

Paweldoradca wrote:

In my opinion, all you need is a mifare card reader and an application on your phone that emulates a card with a permanent id number

Do you have any proven MIFARE emulator?

I am also looking for a solution, at home I have a BCS intercom and an external panel with a MIFARE reader, the phone can be easily recognized when applied, but unfortunately each time a different ID, so I will not save it in the database to open the gate, I have not found a solution for this yet so I'd like to hear from you ...

I think the intermediate output will be a PROGRAMMABLE STICKER compatible with MIFARE 13.56MHz

I did this to my wife, only it has a case and I managed to hide it between the case and the phone, for me without the case it will look average, these stickers are 2.5cm in diameter. [/ U]

I don't think the company would lose on Mirafe, on the contrary.

This will sound like a sculpture. However, based on my experience, it would be doable.

I have a Satel control panel with an ETH module, thanks to which I can arm / disarm the alarm using the external HomeAssistant software. For this reason, if you are able to place something that your phone will read, you will be able to do something with the alarm.

Or are there any NFC readers that simply read the signal from a specific phone and change the state of the relay and that's it? this would solve my problem of opening the gate, currently only by application or sticker (which is problematic to use because it is quite thick)?

slavo_s2k wrote:

And are there any NFC readers that simply read the signal from a specific phone and change the state of the relay and that's it? this would solve my problem of opening the gate, currently only by application or sticker (which is problematic to use because it is quite thick)?

There are NFC/Bluetooth readers, but they require an external controller with a relay.

https://www.roger.pl/produkty/system-kontroli...s-zblizeniowe-mct/mct80m-ble-terminal-dostepu

@gkwiatkowski Centrali with a controller for a given number of passages - totally unprofitable in the case of one door, secondly, the handling of this is also not "pink" because you have to act through the application on the phone, it does not automatically read NFC tags.

sosarek wrote:

Control panel with a controller for a given number of passages - totally unprofitable in the case of one door

And who will forbid the rich to have an NFC reader opening with the entire access control system?

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sosarek wrote:

secondly, the handling of this is also not "pink" because you have to work through the application on the phone, it does not automatically read NFC tags.

And that's really pointless.

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STid readers

https://stid-security.com/en/products/categories/210:architect-blue-readers

They can be configured to read NFC without unlocking the phone. The application must run in the background.
The price isn't even killer.