What food processor up to PLN 1000? Bosch or the name "Kerch"?

Hello,
as in the topic, I would like to buy a planetary robot and the question is whether it is worth buying a brand Bosch or Keenwater in this price range or is it better to buy a no name?
What I mean here is the Bosch MUM 58L20 combination with a 1000 W motor, where the manufacturer gives the maximum weight of yeast dough to be prepared, equal to 1.9 kg, and the noname with allegro for PLN 500, where the mass, literally, the mass of people buy rape. 25 units were purchased on Friday.
In the description of the Chinese robot's auction it is stated that it is equipped with metal gears, and Bosch is known-plastic. I think that the no-name parts will be on aliexpress, although on the other hand, at the price that falls apart, you will buy a second one. The robot is mainly to be used for dough (also yeast dough with 1 kg of flour), additives such as some slicing machine do not interest me. The same mixer on the Allegro is under the name of probably eight alleged producers.
A friend has a robot of this type for PLN 500 and stated that the robot works normally with 2 kg of dough, while Bosch gives this weight as the maximum.



Quote from the auction description: "Thanks to a special Metal Gear System, the device is characterized by increased durability. Unlike other devices of this type, where plastic elements are used, the MyCHEF model uses a metal drive."

Hello, I also have the same dilemma.
I am thinking about a First Austria product, also a planetary model, I know that the 1300W / 1500W may be written extremely well, but my point is that the gear should be durable and work.


I was also thinking about the MyCHEF model.

Uniquely from the Bosch MUM series.
Certainly not Kenwood, because Lidl's SilverCrest is better and more durable in terms of quality.
Aunt like this SilverCrest cannot get to kneading bread dough for 5 years. This robot was bought as a replacement for Kenwood, who had the gear replaced 3 times under the warranty.

And me and my friend use MUM and there are no problems with them.

I also watched this Bosch.

You are talking about this model:

Bosch MUM4407?

Because there are some models that have it all.

And I typically need a kneading dough.
I am not interested in any starters because my parents have the rest of the small household appliances.

As for kneading the dough, it must have a solid metal hook. And the right engine power.

IT doesn't matter. Each mum 5 has the same, the difference is the 900 and 1000W motor. That's it.

Take a look at YouTube videos and you will have a full picture of how these devices work and what are their disadvantages.

They look tacky. What is your opinion on the choice?

Metal instrumentation is an important thing for me.
So what if it has metal gears, since plastic gears under the housing.

This First has all metal, but what is hidden under the housing.

Take a look:
Link

Yes, I did.
The price is too high.
I don't need all the rest of the extras because parents have it all.

All I need is a solid food processor to knead the dough.

And it doesn't have to be for PLN 1,500 because mom doesn't bake 3 kg of cakes every Sunday.
Normal plain solid robot.

The problem with planetary robots is that they cannot make a small amount of dough. Because the stirrer is too close or too far from the bottom, or the bowl is not the correct size for your needs. Such opinions circulate, for example, about the Lidl job.
I use Bosch MUM 5 1000 watts and everything works very well there. I also recommend the Cubi Cutter starter because it really does the job with a Christmas salad, for example.

How about durability? Will Bosch be more durable than this no name?

Borutka wrote:

The problem with planetary robots is that they cannot make a small amount of dough. Because the stirrer is too close or too far from the bottom, or the bowl is not the correct size for your needs. Such opinions circulate, for example, about the Lidl job.
I use Bosch MUM 5 1000 watts and everything works very well there. I also recommend the Cubi Cutter starter, because it really does the job with a Christmas salad, for example.

I share your opinion on BOSCH products.

Same as for mismatched bowl and tooling

The FirstAustria company boasts that they have a distance of 1-2mm from the bottom of the instrumentation bowl attached to the handle.

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In general, I have an injury to the company First Austria, but it is about the quality and overstated power of car amplifiers, where it is written on the housing 1000W and the physically mounted cheesy 15W power amplifier without the possibility of bridging because it is already bridged in itself .

So the dilemma remains.

Only the BOSCH one remains in the range up to PLN 700, the rest are replicas or NONAME companies without an opinion.

I am afraid of one that if I buy, for example, a First or another bush, it will simply not make a dough due to a weak engine or a plastic gear that will fall apart after 3 months of use.

Btw, the times of reliable household appliances are gone forever.
And you either have to buy the equipment for PLN 1,500 or you buy it every year for PLN 300 ....

sunrise84 wrote:

The FirstAustria company boasts that they have a distance of 1-2mm from the bottom of the instrumentation bowl attached to the handle.

Well, it's cool, but it's hard to really judge if this is an advantage.
With time, when the mechanism is manufactured (and in the case of First-class products, this time will be rather short ), it turns out that the mixer is stuck in the bowl or something similar. Metal parts also do not guarantee success, because it is not real metal, but some metallic mass as in bathtub faucets for PLN 50. I would also rather bet on well-designed, i.e. branded products.

arekb81 wrote:

Uniquely Bosch of the MUM series.
Certainly not Kenwood, because Lidl's SilverCrest is better and more durable in terms of quality.
Aunt like this SilverCrest cannot get to kneading bread dough for 5 years. This robot was bought as a replacement for Kenwood, who had the gear replaced 3 times under the warranty.

And I personally and my friend use MUM and there are no problems with them.

How long have you been using it?

Ryszard49 wrote:

Take a look:
Link

I saw this whole movie pointlessly, and for me this robot is completely underutilized when working with a small amount of ingredients.
70 dkg of yeast dough causes such strong resistance that you have the impression that this moving head is about to be torn out of the fixture.

Price?
1800 PLN?

And such trash? It is suitable, but for working with a large amount of liquid ingredients, e.g. for cakes in a confectionery / bakery.

sunrise84 wrote:

70 dkg of yeast dough causes such strong resistance that you have the impression that this moving head is about to be torn out of the fixture.

Unfortunately, with the yeast one there is quite a lot of hard work and there is a right to some dramaturgy in this movement of the head. But in a decently done job, nothing should go wrong because of it. Some cheaper models can "walk" on the table during this work. The Kenwood in the movie is an XL size, so the Bosch equivalent could be the Optimum model.

Yes, I am up to date with this because I am just sitting and rolling the topic.

Generally, the BOSCH line is not bad and analyzing all the pros and cons, because as parents say "they have everything" (but the equipment still remembers my childhood, but the fact is equipment made of better materials and still working !!!) two topics in my eye:


https://www.euro.com.pl/roboty-wieloczynnosciowe/bosch-mum58365.bhtml


https://www.euro.com.pl/roboty-wieloczynnosci...tml?from=ceneo&p=1799.00&cr=0&t=20201219-0941


Parents have it all, but it all takes up space in the kitchen as a single device.

These two sets above have it all.

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As a child, I remember how many jobs there are with yeast dough, so I understand perfectly well what hard "job" the mixer has to do. Every Christmas or birthday my mother baked a lot of cakes so I got a little winded up and kitchen topics are not "black magic" for me.

I would only have reservations about this BOSCH weight, how durable it is.

The same applies to the "cutting plates" of vegetables, the age-old problem in these machines is that there is too much gap between the cutting disc and the housing and often uncut vegetables fall into the already cut ones, which is very annoying.

When I chose the equipment, I checked how it works "dry". Some even branded ones, a small very high noise level.
It ended up making the bread dough by hand.

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The same applies to the "cutting plates" of vegetables, the age-old problem in these machines is that there is too much gap between the cutting disc and the housing and often uncut vegetables fall into the already cut ones, which is very annoying.

Probably all robots have this condition.

Ryszard49 wrote:

When I chose the equipment, I checked how it works "dry". Some even branded ones, a small very high noise level.
It ended up making the bread dough by hand.

Yes, you are right, I was looking at different types of robots and listening to their motors working on audio equipment.

I ignore the fact that the microphone in the camera / smartphone collects all the reverberation and is rather not as sensitive as a dedicated microphone for sound recording.

Unfortunately, the engine + gears must generate noise.

It just doesn't bother me (you probably haven't heard how loud our native Predom Mesko BARTEK food processor is working, so my parents still have it at home and it works for 30 years I won't count how many tons of white cabbage he chopped for the winter) )

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Ryszard49 wrote:

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The same applies to the "cutting plates" of vegetables, the age-old problem in these machines is that there is too much gap between the cutting disc and the housing and often uncut vegetables fall into the already cut ones, which is very annoying.

Probably all robots have this condition.

Just in this BOSCH there is a chance that it is "tight"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8U9GZjFyS4

from 7:30 minutes.

It is a pity there is no show with potato grating.

sunrise84 wrote:

https://www.euro.com.pl/roboty-wieloczynnosciowe/bosch-mum58365.bhtml

Here is the Cube Cutter I mentioned for cutting into cubes. It's great, it can cut soft meats and vegetables for a salad.
You can buy it separately, but it costs a lot. Besides, the meat grinder, although small, is brave and now the great Zelmer is standing in the basement. I only bought two additional strainers. A plastic blender, but it does not wear out and is also suitable for the current needs. In my opinion, this is the optimal version of the equipment, besides, the overall robot looks nice and is not a big deal on the counter. And the materials are somehow easier to wash than in the previous ones.
And it looks like there is a huge meat machine in the house, a huge cup blender (also Bosch), and everything is done by MUM. Because it stands on top and everything is at hand. I do not associate any dramatic problems with pieces of potatoes with rubbing.

And I am also of the opinion that it is better to have one equipment for everything.
This big BARTEK takes up a lot of space and it looks a bit sick of the mouse.
The Zelmer meat grinder also has its place at home and is indestructible thanks to the clever clutch (the special protection in this clutch will break first than the gear in the motor-gear unit will be damaged, the cost is only pennies and dad has a supply of probably 10 pcs. ).
And take them now and convince them to bury these relics in place of the new equipment.

In fact, such a robot has a certain feature that should be rethought. Since it is multi-functional, preparing the machine for certain tasks, e.g. assembling side dishes or a meat grinder, may seem quite complicated (at least at the beginning). And, consequently, discourage its use.

sunrise84 wrote:

And I am also of the opinion that it is better to have one equipment for everything.
This big BARTEK takes up a lot of space and it looks a bit sick of the mouse.
The Zelmer meat grinder also has its place at home and is indestructible thanks to the clever clutch (the special protection in this clutch will break first than the gear in the motor-gear unit will be damaged, the cost is only pennies and dad has a supply of probably 10 pcs. ).
Now, convince them to bury these relics in place of new equipment.

I think you will make a mistake by replacing the plastic Bosch.
PS You're offtop. The question was different.

"What I mean here is the Bosch MUM 58L20 combination with a 1000 W motor, where the manufacturer gives the maximum weight of yeast dough to be prepared, equal to 1.9 kg, and noname with allegro for PLN 500, where the mass, literally a lot of people, buys rape. During the day on Friday. 25 were purchased. "

The answer is BOSCH.

Because at least the manufacturer states how much is physically able to convert this robot.

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"where the manufacturer specifies the maximum weight of yeast dough to be prepared, equal to 1.9 kg"

But do not count that this BOSCH will work in a home bakery of rolls or bread.

It is enough for domestic needs. For this it was constructed.

Probably the most popular ratio is yeast made with 1 kg of flour.

This kers and allegro is fine, my wife was also afraid whether she would make 2 kg of yeast dough for bread and it turned out that she could do it easily, one downside, it is loud. Besides, it's ok.

The instructions say how much dough can you make?