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Modification or removal of the gas installation - formal requirements, costs and implementation time

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  • #1 19243588
    13V13
    Level 5  
    Hello, I am thinking about modifying the gas installation in my apartment or removing it completely.
    1. In both cases, do I need a building permit, design permit, etc., or if it is completely removed, will I only have to contact PGNiG and they will remove the meter and I will be able to remove the pipes?
    2. What is the cost of such pleasure and waiting time if I leave the gas and want to modify the installation.

    Thank you in advance for your answer. Regards
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  • #2 19243615
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    You can probably give up gas, and then just report it to PGNiG, they will remove the meter, put a protection and a seal on the pre-meter valve, and the installation can stay, or you remove it because you don`t use it anyway. But doesn`t the housing community have anything to do with it? I don`t know. As for costs, you`d have to ask someone who would do it...
  • #3 19243633
    palmus
    Level 34  
    If you remove the pipes in the apartment - the community has nothing to do with it. It only concerns the common parts of the building. There will be no such here, unless you damage the wall in the corridor while removing the pipes.
    In this case, you must first apply for the consent of the community. The rest must be dealt with only with the gas companies.
  • #4 19243652
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    Are you the owner of the apartment or just a tenant?
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  • #5 19243991
    13V13
    Level 5  
    I am the owner of the apartment. I heard that any gas processing requires a design and building permit. I wonder how much it costs and how much time it takes
  • #6 19244020
    palmus
    Level 34  
    When building a new one, probably yes.
  • #7 19244031
    ewoo
    Level 30  
    If you want to resign, report it to the gas company. They will take the gas meter and seal the pipe. Then, if you want to install a gas meter, you must have a gas installation tightness report and a chimney sweep report, you pay at the gasworks and they install it. If you want to make a minor modification to the installation, it`s the same way, remove the gas meter, have it modified by a licensed installer, take the protocols and go to the gasworks.
    If you want to change the entire installation along with changing the installation route, it is worth making a project, which involves issuing permits.
  • #8 19244053
    13V13
    Level 5  
    If I manage to finalize the 3-phase issue, I will dismantle the meter and that`s it, but if not, I will have to rebuild the gas installation in the apartment, and I don`t know what the costs and time involved in obtaining permits are.
  • #9 19245975
    13V13
    Level 5  
    If anyone knows how to carry out this process efficiently step by step, and what it costs, I will be very grateful for your help. Regards
  • #10 19246078
    palmus
    Level 34  
    First decide:
    1. Are you renovating - what is the scope of work?
    2.You are liquidating.
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  • #11 19246089
    Wojewoda82
    Level 28  
    13V13 wrote:
    If I manage to finalize the 3-phase issue, I will dismantle the meter and that`s it, but if not, I will have to rebuild the gas installation in the apartment, and I don`t know what the costs and time involved in obtaining permits are.


    I understand that you calculated everything correctly, because I see that you are probably going to use electricity for heating.
  • #12 19246135
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    If heating food and cooking is similar on an induction cooker and without burning pots, heating water will be much more expensive.
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  • #13 19249331
    13V13
    Level 5  
    I want to renovate my apartment, but the gas stove and gas pipes bother me. So I want to change the route of the pipe, but this requires a building permit, etc. So the idea is to remove the gas and heat water from an electric stove or other device and install induction in the kitchen. Heating is municipal.
  • #14 19249356
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    13V13 wrote:
    So the idea is to turn off the gas and heat water with an electric stove or other device and install induction in the kitchen.
    And in a few months you will write that you are paying a lot for "electricity", because heating water with gas is much cheaper.
  • #15 19249525
    PchlaW81
    Level 28  
    13V13 wrote:
    I want to renovate my apartment, but the gas stove and gas pipes bother me. So I want to change the route of the pipe, but this requires a building permit, etc. So the idea is to remove the gas and heat water from an electric heater or other device and install induction in the kitchen. Heating is municipal.


    It`s best to bring in a smart plumber who has a gas license and who can advise you, because sometimes the best option in such cases is a local inspection, people simply don`t deal with everything on a daily basis, so they can be very wrong when it comes to the possibility of releasing water pipes, gas etc....
  • #16 19249543
    karolark
    Level 42  
    CW for electricity ok, but flow or boiler?
  • #17 19249559
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    karolark wrote:
    CW for electricity ok, but flow or boiler?
    Flow-through in a block installation, I don`t recommend it. Low power, poor performance. High power - involves arranging (purchasing) more contractual power and modifying the electrical installation.
  • #18 19249577
    karolark
    Level 42  
    stanislaw1954 wrote:
    karolark wrote:
    CW for electricity ok, but flow or boiler?
    Flow-through in a block installation, I don`t recommend it. Low power, poor performance. High power - involves arranging (purchasing) more contractual power and modifying the electrical installation.


    I know, but the author has to see this for himself :D
    And the boiler will take up much more space than a gas heater
  • #19 19249706
    palmus
    Level 34  
    13V13 wrote:
    I want to renovate my apartment, but the gas stove and gas pipes bother me. So I want to change the route of the pipe, but this requires a building permit, etc. So the idea is to remove the gas and heat water from an electric heater or other device and install induction in the kitchen. Heating is municipal.

    Consult a guy who clamps copper pipes or solders with brazing solder and he will tell you what and how. Changing the course without moving the riser, no problem. I wouldn`t take any permission. And you can fit it in PLN 300-max. PLN 400.
  • #20 19249905
    ewoo
    Level 30  
    palmus wrote:
    And you can fit it in PLN 300-max. PLN 400.


    Yeah, I guess it`s for clenching both knees.
  • #21 19249972
    palmus
    Level 34  
    Well, unless it`s Warsaw.
    Replacing the nibs with crimped Cu ones, about 6 meters plus installing a gas meter, I paid PLN 500 without an invoice. Last year.
  • #22 19250051
    PchlaW81
    Level 28  
    palmus wrote:
    Well, unless it`s Warsaw.
    Replacing the nibs with crimped Cu ones, about 6 meters plus installing a gas meter, I paid PLN 500 without an invoice. Last year.


    but he must be very lucky to find a knowledgeable and hard-working person, he will most likely find someone who won`t give any advice but will follow the path of least resistance at the highest cost.
  • #23 19250099
    ewoo
    Level 30  
    palmus wrote:
    Cu approximately 6mb plus installation of a gas meter


    Gasworks fitters on the job during working hours?

    A pipe is about PLN 150, one connector is PLN 15-20 and min. 3 are needed, plus a holder, even if it breaks, the cost will be at least PLN 200, i.e. a maximum of PLN 300 in your pocket for 6 meters of installation.

    There`s no strength, you`ve hit it
    Modification or removal of the gas installation - formal requirements, costs and implementation time
  • #24 19250106
    PchlaW81
    Level 28  
    My friend simply overdid it with PLN 300 :), and you`re right, it`s best to let him get the money from the gas company after hours.
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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the modification or removal of gas installations in residential apartments. Key points include the necessity of permits for modifications, the process of notifying the gas company (PGNiG) for meter removal, and the implications of altering gas pipes. Participants emphasize that if pipes are removed within the apartment, it typically does not require community consent unless common areas are affected. Costs for modifications vary, with estimates ranging from PLN 300 to PLN 500 for minor changes, while more extensive modifications may require professional assistance and permits. The conversation also touches on alternatives to gas, such as electric heating and induction cookers, highlighting the potential cost implications of switching from gas to electricity for heating and cooking.
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