Asking for an opinion on Fogo F3001is / F4001iSE suitcase units?

Hi,

Does anyone of you have any experience with FOGO F3001is or F4001iSE series power generators?

model	rated power	maximum power	engine	price
F3001is	2.3kW	2.5kW	Rato R120-Vi	about PLN 3,000
F4001iSE	3.2kW	3.5kW	Rato R210 D-Vi	around PLN 4,000

Comparable Hondas are respectively ~ 5k and 10kPLN

Do you have any idea they work? How about the durability of these motors? What generators are there?
I found the Rato R210 engine and parts for it somewhere on the web, but not the smaller one, the R120.

Purpose: work as an emergency power supply for the home during blackouts, which this year has been > 48h. Overhead line, climate change, it doesn't get any better . Let's assume that they would work for a dozen or so hours at a time, 4 times a year.
The average load is 200-500W, but sometimes you would like to boil water or heat something in the microwave and then you need something from 2k5W.

Working remotely makes a power outage a nuisance. In the short term, the problem is overtaken by UPSs, but recently after breaks of 4h + 12h, they discharged. And the fridge was not much more needed.

I join the topic.

@sneer did you manage to figure something out? price vs. The Honda is certainly attractive

thanks in advance!

Unfortunately not. I also asked on the forum about aggregates on FB, but there are no specifics, no one even admits to owning them.
I feel like I'm going to be a tester ?

:)

It'll probably be two of us.

The price is exceptionally encouraging.

I'm also thinking about 3001 (plus for a Polish company). Possibly PRAMAC PMi 2000 AVR. Power for the 1f boiler, several heating pumps, some emergency lighting.
There are some reviews in one of the stores but I'm still not convinced.
https://klimasklep.pl/agregat-pradotworczy-fogo-3001-is-p-15645.html

Have you already bought and can share your opinions?
Thank you

Part of today I was just talking to a guy who recommended a Daewoo unit. 3k aggregate with AVR only PLN 1600. He said that despite the lack of an inverter, he manages to power the stove and other stuff.

Regards,

Have any of you bought a generator from this series? I hesitate to buy the weakest version of Fogo F2001.
Mainly as an emergency power supply to the gas furnace, freezer, for trips. Sellers everywhere claim that it is the perfect choice for such applications:>

I'm getting ready to buy: F4001iSE

I need a fridge 8.4A compressor to start and a computer for work. The offer looks decently priced.
I would not like to disappoint you, but these models do not have a Honda engine, which is often written in opinions, on the manufacturer's website it is otherwise.

Hi

There seem to be accessibility issues. Eventually I bought a Stanley 1900 with an inverter.

Regards

Mizuki wrote:

I would not like to disappoint you, but these models do not have a Honda engine, which is often written in opinions, on the manufacturer's website it is otherwise.

The F2001is/F3001is/F4001ise models are on Rato engines. I know this, hence my doubts, and in addition I have not found information about the generator - is it at least copper?

But the 2001/3001 series is wider, they also make classic aggregates, not suitcase ones
And so FH3001 is on Honda, F3001 is on Rato. The letter H in the symbols is decisive.

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bogut wrote:

There seem to be accessibility issues. Eventually I bought a Stanley 1900 with an inverter.

How is your impression? Does it deliver the promised 1600W? How's the combustion?

I bought the F3001IS, it works very quietly, evenly. The form of the suitcase is very handy.
Flooded with Motul 15W40. The first "firing" was done by an 11-year-old, so no problems.

Electronics, the drill works, there is one but - despite proper grounding (there is a connector for this), the gas boiler burner does not start.
I need to talk to an electrician - I'll let you know how I get on with the subject.

https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3849610.html

read up.

I posted a link to a previous thread in this thread about the same issue.

thank you very much

tswirek1231 wrote:

I bought the F3001IS, it works very quietly, evenly. The form of the suitcase is very handy.
Flooded with Motul 15W40. The first "firing" was done by an 11-year-old, so no problems.

Electronics, the drill works, there is one but - despite proper grounding (there is a connector for this), the gas boiler burner does not start.
I need to talk to an electrician - I'll let you know how I get on with the subject.

Update: The Beretta compact green boiler started after adding additional grounding under the housing. Of course, the generator is also grounded.

Hey, I'm going to share my case. I finally bought a Stanley inverter generator. There is a problem with the power supply to the furnace due to phase change. I finished the adapter for Allegro and now it's running nice ?

bogut wrote:

I finished the adapter for allegro and now it's running nice ?

Good to know, thanks!
Maybe, for posterity, you could disassemble and take pictures of what's inside and how it's connected?

Hi

Can't undress. I don't want to advertise here, but it's this adapter:

https://allegro.pl/oferta/emergency-supply-ga...-e43d1a028420755aa386fe7e14ee7421a14291fbf951

Regards

This device is most likely just an Elgotech R-20F surge protector covered only by Volton. It caused me to throw out the differential (probably).
Supposedly it works with UPSs that have a constant phase - Techtrons and Volts from mid-2020 and Kemots after May 2021, but I don't have such equipment, so I wasn't able to confirm.

I don't know I don't know. The furnace with the aggregate itself did not work with this miracle it works.

I have and I - Fogo f2001is
Today I finally launched, first impressions positive. Everything I connected seems to work fine. I tested, among others, a 250l chest freezer, an Immergas gas condensing oven - it works without any adapters (of course, the unit itself is grounded). It's hard for me to say something about combustion, working practically only without load, it was about 0.5 l / h. I changed the oil after 2 hours of operation, the brown oil was opaque, I did not find any metal filings. I poured some oil into the cylinder, packed it and let it wait for worse times.

I just have one question, the candle was a bit black in the soot. I don't think that should be the case. Maybe the spark plug is too "cold"? Need a different one for winter?

wujeksam wrote:

I have and I - Fogo f2001is

The manual says it's a four-stroke (we only pour gasoline). In addition, variable turnover. Not bad. It has arms and legs.

wujeksam wrote:

I just have one question, the candle was a bit black in the soot. I don't think that should be the case. Maybe the spark plug is too "cold"? Need a different one for winter?

This is rather due to the operation after the start on a cold engine and with cold air, and additionally with a shortage of air. Did you use the choke on start up?

That's right, the 4-s additionally seems that the power quality is reasonable, it's a pity that I don't have anything to measure with.
I did as in the instructions, i.e. start on suction. It worked for 2 hours, it seems to me that after that time the candle should self-clean. Cold air won't help, I'll try to replace the spark plug with another one.

wujeksam wrote:

I will try to replace the spark plug with another one.

Can be wiped with fine sandpaper. It doesn't really make sense to replace it. It's better to test longer and observe (also soot at the exhaust outlet). Unfortunately, such a small engine has unfavorable working conditions: frequent start-ups, long cold work, plus the fact that you preserve the cylinder with oil (correct, but maybe it stays on the piston crown), but it's nothing to worry about so much. Well, unless the naga increases significantly.

As for the quality of the energy, it really is. The fact that there is an inverter does not mean that the quality of the sine wave is better than without the inverter. It would have to be checked/tested. But the inverter allows you to work at variable speed with the pursuit of maximum engine efficiency at a given load.

bogut wrote:

Can't undress.

"Hold my beer" ;-)



All "magic" is a 1 kOhm resistor between PE and N.

Yes, and how is the compliance of this adapter with the standards?
The adapter can be easily inserted into a regular socket.
In the case of an RCD-protected socket, it will trip. However, in the case of an unprotected socket, this resistor may be powered with mains voltage, which will cause it to dissipate 53 watts of power. However, if it is connected to a socket without a protective contact, or where the protective contact has not been connected, then the user will be exposed to electric shock (current 230 mA).

As for the FOGO generator, I was making a very similar generator to the smaller one, only 1250 VA and Swedish brand. I have no idea what the engine capacity was, probably 50-80 cm? with a decompressor and certainly made in China (here the manufacturer marked the components with stamping). The carburetor (Ruixing) had a throttle controlled by a stepper motor (from the inverter module). The problem with this engine was that the choke cable (connected to the knob from the tap) rubbed a little and the spring on the starting throttle did not pull back well. The result was that the engine smoked a little soot. There was a spark arrestor in the exhaust tip which was clogged with soot + mineral wool from the exhaust muffler, after removing it, the engine started working normally. In addition, the housing is tight, it is inconvenient to service. The alternator at the inverter is a three-phase stator + magnet wheel as in motorcycle engines.

EDIT:
I found a photo. I didn't like that fuel hose pinched between the air filter and the housing cover. There was no other way to lead him. Z90 marking on plastics.

The engine is completely unprotected in terms of air filtration. After 30 hours of use it pulled back dust that the rings wore out and it lost compression, and as it was still under a one-year warranty, I sent it to Fogo's service department, who, after careful consideration, refused warranty repair, arguing that the rings were a moving part and not covered by the warranty, and in general it was my fault that the unit was pulling dirt. Willingly or unwillingly, I had to bear the not inconsiderable cost of the repair and after two months I got the unit back.
Overall, I would not recommend it.

Well, they did a good job of screwing it up.

The engine is poorly protected in terms of air filtering, after 30 hours of use, it pulled the rear dust that the rings were worn out, lost compression, started to take oil and since it was still under a one-year warranty, I sent it to the fogo service center which, after a thorough analysis, refused to repair the warranty claiming that the rings were it is a moving part and is not covered by the warranty, and it is my fault that the unit dragged dirt. Willingly or not, I had to incur considerable repair costs and after two months I got my device back.
Overall I do not recommend.

Something's not right here. I have been using a large FOGO chiller for 10 years.
No problems.
And the manual says about the air filter, maybe you didn't soak it with oil?
https://www.fogo.pl/images/instructions/f3001is.pdf