Hello, I would like to ask for your advice, I have been reading about various parts that can be dismantled, repaired, rust etc. but unfortunately I have not understood too much. I have also read user reviews - and here and here there are negative opinions about the fluid dispenser breaking down or something like that in the first months of use. Which would be the better option: This Electrolux C-class + some kind of heat pump dryer -Whirlpool FFB 9448 BSV EN 1099PLN or this Haier with built-in Class A washing and D drying -Haier washer-dryer HWD80-B14979-S 2389PLN
The only thing I would add is that I intend to dry occasionally(and I can even do without) and the Haier is slim and my bathroom in the block is not too big.
To be honest I'm smashed and that's why I'm looking for advice here - is the HAIER such a super much better washing machine with a longer warranty that it's worth paying extra?
I recommend the LG washing machine with a 10-year warranty, the possibility of replacing the bearings Three years of trouble-free operation, Once upon a time when my son and his family came to visit me from abroad it did a great job washing two loads of laundry a day, a washing machine with a load of 1 to 5 kg, typical for our modest bathrooms, LG F10C3LD type A++
. All three-phase motors get such warranties because they are simply trouble-free, such a marketing ploy, unfortunately the control electronics are no longer covered .
Thanks sincerely for your reply. You surprised me a bit because I thought Haier was some good brand . The only thing is Haier also offers drying and has a better energy class. Also important to me is the aquastop offered by Haier to avoid flooding the neighbours (but maybe this is already standard among washing machines).
And as far as rust/seal problems are concerned, this is not present in this Electrolux model?
One other washing machine with a drying option has caught my eye and I think I'll be tempted to go for it of course unless it's some super grandfathered Candy company, could you advise me? Candy RapidO ROW 4854DWME/1-S It's so much nicer because it's slim like Haier, it's at a good price of 1599 and it's washing class A
And could I be more reliable? I made a mistake, I never considered Electrolux only Haier, Candy and Whirlpool. So far I'm most on the Candy because that's what I was looking for; A class washing and drying since poor but maybe I'm making a mistake, please give me feedback. So to speak, I'd rather buy a Candy and possibly replace it in 5 years if it breaks down....
Haier, although it is a Chinese brand, at least the manufacturer uses bolted tanks, which do not pose any problems and the bearings will need replacing sooner or later anyway. Another advantage of Haier is the Direct Drive motor, which has very few breakdowns. Candy's quality has deteriorated in recent years and it is now a low-end budget brand, and in the event of bearing failure, for example, the manufacturer only offers the entire tank as a repair method: https://north.pl/karta/zbiornik-kompletny--wa...ki-candy-row-4854dxh-1-s,4H5-D4-C2MD-02A.html.
Of course, even welded tanks nowadays have bearings that can be replaced, but not every service centre provides this service, for one thing, and for another it is more expensive than a bolted tank.
More reliably, the Candy stands little above the Haiera or Amica. In general, it is the lower end of the quality scale.
gukasar wrote:
A-class washing and drying
. With washing, drying or energy classes, give yourself a break, because it has nothing to do with reality.
gukasar wrote:
Frankly speaking I'd rather buy a candy and possibly replace it in 5 years if it breaks down..
It's cool, you can spend 1400 every 5 years, or you can buy a good machine once and with one or two repairs use it for 10 years or even longer, and these two repairs usually don't cost more than 500-600 PLN, but who can forbid a rich person.
Kenworth 18 wrote:
and the bearings will sooner or later need replacing anyway.
. Don't tell fairy tales, bearings today are not a very failing point of washing machines, many machines spend their entire several year life on factory bearings.
gukasar wrote:
It is also important to me the aquastop offered by Haier, so as not to flood the neighbours (but maybe this is already standard among washing machines)
And as far as rust/seal problems are concerned, this is not present in this electrolux model?
Aquastop is rarely found in washing machines. Leaks usually, if they do occur, are due to the fault of the user and are not like those in the adverts where a large bucket of water is poured behind the appliance.
As for corrosion in Electroluxes, if you take care of the washing machine there is no problem, if it is waterlogged every one will corrode.
On the other hand, cheap, low-end washing machines can corrode after a few years due to the sheer humidity of the environment, but the price has to be cut on something, often it is the sheet metal, the quality of painting and protection.
More reliably, the Candy stands little above the Haiera or Amica. In general, it is the lower shelf of quality.
. Well, yes, but that's kind of what I'm looking for, unless a longer service life makes up for it. I understand that sometimes the savings are only apparent, but this washing machine will be used for one person to do laundry once a week/half a week so it will be in total VERY rarely used, even extremely
mrice wrote:
For washing, drying or energy classes, give yourself a break, because it has nothing to do with reality.
. And why is that? I thought they were fairly standardised and showed what energy efficiency etc a particular washing machine presented in relation to a certain assumption?
mrice wrote:
Well, you can spend 1400 every 5 years, or you can buy a good machine once and with one or two repairs operate it for 10 years or more, and those two repairs usually don't cost more than 500-600 PLN, but who can forbid a rich person.
. Well, but I don't even know if I could spend the 500-600 since this Haier, from what I looked at, is a non-removable design? By the way, technology is constantly evolving, and you're not going to tell me that in 10 years' time a washing machine on the low end of the price scale won't be on a par with a mid-range one? Today I found an even better bargain - a Candy Smart CS4 127TXME washing machine for 999 PLN, class A but a washing machine alone. Maybe it is worth buying it and simply replacing it in 5 years?
mrice wrote:
Aquastop is rarely found in washing machines. Leaks usually, if they do occur, are the fault of the user and are not like those in adverts where a big bucket of water is poured behind the machine.
As for corrosion in Electrolux washing machines, if you take care of the washing machine there is no problem, if it is waterlogged every one will corrode.
Cheap low-end washing machines can corrode after a few years from ambient moisture alone, but the price has to be cut on something, often it is the sheet metal, the quality of painting and protection.
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So Haier has extra points here, what does it mean by user fault? I've been using washing machines for so many years and haven't taken any "precautions" so maybe it's worth the washing machine thinking for me at times like this?
What does it mean to take care of the washing machine? I've read something about wiping down gaskets, or gaskets in general that wrap socks, what's that about? I currently have a Samsung washer-dryer and probably every 50 cycles a cleaning is triggered, and other than that well... I leave the door open after washing and that's it... that's it?
Well that's why I'd like to know which ones corrode etc. I'm looking for more of a bargain and not cheap for cheap's sake.
// In that case what would you suggest I buy? Assuming I wash once every 1.5 weeks, I need a reasonably shallow (slim) washing machine, I'd like to dry something occasionally (once a month?). The budget wouldn't matter, but since I see that there are washing machines for 1000 zł with a good energy class, sorry but I'd rather not mess around with some repairs, just buy something new? That's why I rather rule out some kind of expensive washing machine/ washer dryer, well, but I'm waiting for some concrete suggestions/ bargains. Regards
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Kenworth 18 wrote:
Haier, although it is a Chinese brand, at least the manufacturer uses bolt-on tanks, which do not present problems with bearing replacement and the bearings will need replacing sooner or later anyway. Another advantage of Haier is the Direct Drive motor, which has very few breakdowns. Candy's quality has deteriorated in recent years and it is now a low-end budget brand, and in the event of bearing failure, for example, the manufacturer only offers the entire tank as a repair method: https://north.pl/karta/zbiornik-kompletny--wa...ki-candy-row-4854dxh-1-s,4H5-D4-C2MD-02A.html. Of course, even welded tanks nowadays have bearings that can be replaced, but not every service centre provides such a service, for one thing, and 2 it is a more expensive service than a bolted tank.
Then maybe the best choice is to buy a Candy Smart CS4 127TXME washing machine for £999 and throw it away when it breaks down, buy another one?
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It usually rewards financially and qualitatively.
gukasar wrote:
mrice wrote:
For washing, drying or energy classes, give yourself a break, because it is nowhere near reality.
And why is that? I thought they were quite standardised and show what energy efficiency etc a particular washing machine presents in relation to a certain assumption?
This is a long and complex subject, the energy class is only rated on certain programmes, usually the so-called eco programmes, these programmes are properly prepared to make standards, and for washing they are usually not suitable.
gukasar wrote:
By the way, technology is constantly developing and you will not tell me that in 10 years' time a washing machine from the lowest price range will not be equal to one from the middle one?
It will not catch up, even if only in terms of quality, besides there is a chance that it will not last.
gukasar wrote:
Budget would not matter, but since I see that there are washing machines for 1000 zł with a good energy class, sorry but I would prefer not to play with some repairs, but buy something new?
I don't really understand what you expect, if you don't want to mess around with repairs then buy something inexpensive and for the first time and via scrap, you will be the perfect consumer for the manufacturers.
If you, @gukasar, do not want equipment that can be serviced in the traditional way and you are not a fan of repairs, then the best solution for you is to buy the cheapest equipment available on the market and replace it with a new one after the warranty expires, because if equipment from this price range survives for 5 years without major repairs, then you will be really lucky and you will be able to say that you have the best of luck with this particular piece of equipment and I sincerely wish you that.
Just a small comment for colleague @mrice.
I very much appreciate you and your knowledge and expertise and of course who better to know what breaks down most often in washing machines than a professional service technician and I realise that you are not called to a customer in most cases because of bearing failure, but I am sorry but the statement that current washing machines will survive on factory bearings for a dozen years even those of respected brands just amused me. With all due respect, washing machines from before the year 2000 and even those manufactured just after the millennium used to run on factory bearings for a dozen years without a stutter and no one was surprised, but the colleague himself knows very well that this was influenced by several factors, such as, among others, the centrifuge rotational speed offered at that time and the quality of the materials themselves, mainly the bearing seals, so my fairy tales are probably not really so and, unfortunately, the truth is somewhat different.
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It usually rewards financially and qualitatively.
gukasar wrote:
mrice wrote:
For washing, drying or energy classes, give yourself a break, because it's nowhere near reality.
And why is that? I thought they were quite standardized and show what energy efficiency etc a particular washing machine presents in relation to a certain assumption?
This is a long and complex subject, the energy class is only rated on certain programmes, usually the so-called eco programmes, these programmes are properly prepared to make standards, and for washing they are usually not suitable.
gukasar wrote:
By the way, technology is constantly developing and you will not tell me that in 10 years' time a washing machine from the lowest price range will not be equal to one from the middle one?
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It will not match, even if only in quality, besides there is a chance that it will not last.
gukasar wrote:
Budget would not matter, but since I see that there are washing machines for 1000 PLN with a good energy class, sorry but I would prefer not to play with some repairs, but buy something new?
I don't really understand what you are expecting, if you don't want to mess around with repairs then buy something inexpensive and for the first time and via scrap, you will be the perfect consumer for the manufacturers.
Overall, that's why I'm on this forum - I'd like to be guided as to what is the best option, I've stated my requirements and what will be the best choice for me. I think a washer dryer, as I will be able to stuff another towel rail in the tiny bathroom in the block of flats. If so, could I get some recommendations of those good washer dryers, good quality, that will last 15 years? Preferably on some sort of promotion? Recently there was a Toshiba TWD-BJ90W4PL washer-dryer for 1699zl, would it be better for example?
I mean nuances such as 10 or 15 year warranty - on the motor, not on the software etc. I am totally unfamiliar with it....
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Kenworth 18 wrote:
If fellow @gukasar you do not want equipment that allows servicing in the traditional manner and you are not a fan of repairs, then by all means the best solution for you is to buy what is cheapest on the market and replace it with a new device after the warranty expires, because if equipment from this price range will last 5 years without the need for serious repair, then you will be really lucky and you will be able to say that you have the trafa as for a particular piece of equipment and I sincerely wish you that.
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I mean, you know, as was mentioned earlier, there are washing machines that will have better quality and last longer, so I don't really want to buy the cheapest crap, but also let's not kid ourselves there's a certain level to which it's worth paying extra, always, and then that's inadequate for the long term return. Could you throw me something from washing machines/washing machines as the best in terms of price/performance/quality?
Ok... thanks for the advice, ordered: Candy RapidO ROW 4854DWME/1-S mainly because of the energy class and the price plus the possibility of occasional drying price 1599, warranty on the motor 10 years and on the washing machine 2 years. I will brag about it when it breaks down .
Today it arrived - a tragedy the attached hose from the running water leaks both at the connection of the washing machine and the source itself, after washing water is left on the gasket and generally feels poor. I should have listened to you ... Do you think I have any chance of getting a refund from RTV euro? Not likely, because it has been used
and what did you expect when you bought a budget ?
gukasar wrote:
do you think I have any chance of getting a refund from RTV euro? Rather not because it is used
. Well rather not
Meaning I didn't do a wash, just plugged in to see if it worked. I was expecting perhaps better workmanship from a "better" model of theirs
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elektryk2000 wrote:
The more a person searches, chooses, compares, the worse he or she will end up. "Class A" Do you choose cars like that too?
PS. The question was "Which washing machine better (Electrolux vs Haier)". He bought a Candy
. All in all, yes, the environment is quite an important issue for me. If you read the topic better, you'd see that Electrolux was just a slip of the tongue from the start and I couldn't change the topic name
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MARCIN.SLASK wrote:
No massacre. I wouldn't even recommend Candy to my enemy. I hope there will be no problems with her.
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Well that's the end of the smich hihs, it's now black friday etc. Can you recommend me a washing machine, washer dryer up to 2500 zl with preferably washing class A-B? I rather manage to return this Candy.
Would you recommend me a washing machine, washer dryer up to 2500 zl with preferably washing class A-B?
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So are you a proponent of dry cleaning?
gukasar wrote:
All in all, yes, the environment is quite an important issue to me.
The amount of water in nature is the same, only the freshwater - saltwater ratios swap.
Familiarise yourself with this topic:
https://www.bosch-home.pl/poznaj-marke-bosch/blog/pranie-na-sucho Secondly: you won't buy a current class A or B up to £2500, An old class A or B you might still get somewhere.
As for you, Bosch WAU28Q0EPL would be ideal - new class C, or Bosch WAVH8G90PL for about 4700 zł, new class A.
At least the Bosch is repairable and has no problems.
And it's a do-it-yourselfer perfect for 'capsuleers' or advocates of low-temperature washing:
DrumClean with reminder function
Don't know when to clean the drum? Don't worry! When your washing machine has done more than 20 cycles at temperatures below 40°C, your washing machine will automatically remind you to use the cleaning programme.
P.S.
gukasar wrote:
And yes no more laughing hihs, it's now black friday etc.
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Forget buying anything cheaper on this day. I keep track of equipment prices and I'll tell you in confidence that you'll buy equipment more expensively this Black Friday, not cheaper.
Would you please recommend me a washing machine, washer dryer up to 2500 zl with preferably washing class A-B?
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So are you a proponent of dry cleaning?
gukasar wrote:
All in all, yes, the environment is quite an important issue for me.
The amount of water in nature is the same, only the freshwater - saltwater ratios swap.
Familiarise yourself with this topic:
https://www.bosch-home.pl/poznaj-marke-bosch/blog/pranie-na-sucho Secondly: you won't buy a current class A or B up to £2500, An old class A or B you might still get somewhere.
As for you, Bosch WAU28Q0EPL would be ideal - new class C, or Bosch WAVH8G90PL for about 4700 zł, new class A.
At least the Bosch is repairable and has no problems.
And it's a do-it-yourselfer perfect for 'capsuleers' or advocates of low-temperature washing:
DrumClean with reminder function.
Don't know when to clean the drum? Don't worry! When your washing machine has done more than 20 cycles at temperatures below 40°C, your washing machine will automatically remind you to use the cleaning programme.
P.S.
gukasar wrote:
And yes no more laughing hihs, it's now black friday etc.
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Forget buying anything cheaper on this day. I keep track of hardware prices and I'll tell you in confidence that on this Black Friday you'll buy hardware more expensive, not cheaper.
mrice wrote:
I already wrote at the very beginning, if slim then something from electrolux, if full size then in Bosch look.
Thanks for the advice, unfortunately the Candy is no longer economically viable for me to return, so I am looking for a better inlet hose, could you recommend something?
https://allegro.pl/oferta/waz-doplywowy-aqua-stop-pralki-zmywarki-1-5m-10705493508 This one looks solid, almost like a whirlpool dishwasher, and the one that came with the candy was some kind of leaky massacre....
I bought an Electrolux EWS1276CI in February 2018, it has been making a terrible noise for the last two months and recently it was the drum hitting the door, the bearing went. The component is unrepairable, without cutting the drum you can't get to the bearing. I bought the Haier I-Pro 7 HW80-B14979, they transported it today and it has already passed three washes, so far everything is a big plus only the lack of a Polish menu. It looks great, it's very quiet, you can replace the bearing without any problems. We will see how long it lasts.
Hi I would like to join this topic as I am also looking for a new washing machine or washer-dryer (although every now and then someone tells me not to buy a washer-dryer because it will p... and are d.. without any specific arguments apart from a "master" from Media Exp... who said not to get a p-s because I would have to dry twice .... as if you don't have to put laundry in the dryer .... I caught the eye of Hoover washing machines (from what I've now dug up it has something in common with Candy and Haier) the question is how much Candy is in it and vice versa . Washing machines manufactured by Vestel - e.g. Sharp are worth something ? I do not need a long-lasting washing machine, I have an old Gorenje WS 43100, which is fuming, unfortunately, rust is already taking it, the drum is breaking and I can no longer look at it , but for a dozen years it worked without failure. Gorenje is now Hisense if I remember correctly, the question is whether there is anything left of that old quality. What to buy up to 2k max Is it worth something : -HOOVER HDP 696AMBC/1-S (Washer Dryer) -Toshiba TW-BL100S2PL(WK) -Sharp ES-NFH014CWC-PL -GORENJE MAW820ION -BEKO HTV8712XW
Hoover washing machines have caught my eye ( from what I've poked around now it has something in common with Candy and Haier ) the question is how much Candy is in it and vice versa
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A badly posed question, and as you can see a misconception of reality.
The Hoover Company – an American company that manufactures hoovers, washing machines, washer-dryers and condenser dryers under the Hoover brand. The company was founded in 1908, in New Berlin (North Canton), by W.H. „Boss” Hoover. This was because Hoover bought the patent for a hoover from his cousin and inventor James Murray Spangler. In 1908, around 370 hoovers of the „0” model were sold.
In Europe, the brand is owned by Candy. In the USA, the company is part of the Chinese conglomerate TTI (Techtonic Industries).
Haier Group – a multinational consumer electronics and white goods company, headquartered in Qingdao, Shandong Province, China. Haier designs, develops, manufactures and markets its products, including air conditioners, mobile phones, computers, microwave ovens, washing machines, refrigerators and televisions.
The result? Hoover and Candy are the same company that, like a drowning man, has begun to grasp at razors since they began to
outsourced the production of washing machines and dryers to Haier, among others.
All three companies are currently in the fourth league. If it works, it works; if it breaks, it breaks all over.
-=sKy=- wrote:
What to buy up to 2 thousand max
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For that money, buy what you want. In fact, any of the models listed are budget grade.
If you follow the instruction manual, you'll get a bit of a pop, if you push it, you'll face frequent servicing.
Remember !!! If the current state of affairs does not change - services wait up to 6 months for parts.
I will link to this topic because I am also looking for a new washing machine or possibly a washer-dryer
A sea of knowledge has already been poured out about the futility of the washer dryer on this forum, search a little, forgive me for not wanting to write the same thing for the 157th time. The washer dryer is an invention on a par with the conversion of a Smarta for Two into a van.
-=sKy=- wrote:
What to buy up to 2k max
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In this price class you can buy a good washing machine, but not a washer dryer, or a washer and dryer.
Piotr2608 wrote:
All these 3 companies, nowadays, are so IV league.
Candy and Hoover are let's say 3rd league, plus at least for the sheet metal. Haier is already bending when you look at it from such a newspaper it is made of.
The discussion revolves around the comparison of Electrolux and Haier washing machines, focusing on aspects such as detachable parts, rust issues, and the reliability of liquid dispensers. Users express concerns about the quality and longevity of various brands, particularly Haier and Candy, with some recommending Electrolux for its reliability. The conversation highlights the importance of energy efficiency, warranty periods, and the practicality of washer-dryer combinations in small spaces. Several users share their experiences with different models, emphasizing the need for durable components and ease of repair. Ultimately, the author decides to purchase a Candy model, despite mixed reviews about its quality. Summary generated by the language model.
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and what did you expect when you bought a budget product ?
Do you choose cars like that too? 