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  • #1 19893356
    minimaxi
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    Since I've already been locked out of a previous similar thread, and the answers have been rambling, I'll now formulate the question in far more concrete terms: Can a registered letter have an anonymous sender? I.e. no sender's name on the front, back, side etc. of the envelope?

    I know that receipt of such a letter may have character and legal consequences and I am under no obligation to receive such a letter, but does the Post Office have the right to accept such a letter from the sender, post it and still try to press me into receiving an anonymous letter with a receipt?
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  • #2 19893692
    Preskaler
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    Everyone has the right to refuse a consignment. If you think a parcel is suspicious you refuse it. The sender's address should be because how can you, if you refuse to accept a parcel, return it?
  • #3 19893860
    palmus
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    Can't you ask at the source i.e. the post office?
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  • #4 19894180
    clubber84
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    Author.
    I will answer the question for you:
    - No, there does not have to be a sender on the side, front, back or corner of the registered mail.
    The sender can be found on the eRka consignment form and on the "return" attached to it (if the sender requests it and, of course, pays an additional fee for it).
    The registered mail will have its number in the postal system, which you can enter at this address - link .
    The sender information will be there too (in your previous topic, a colleague has already explained to you this way of checking the sender - why didn't you do it?).
    It was also asked if you would upload a photo of this consignment with the addressee details blurred out, so show a photo.
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    gaskoin
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    I believed the thread would come back.... I couldn't sleep at night thinking about the mysterious letter.

    minimaxi wrote:
    I know that receipt of such a letter can have character and legal consequences and I am under no obligation to receive such a letter
    You are confusing receipt with delivery, but this was explained by a colleague above. Refusal = served but not received.

    minimaxi wrote:
    Does the Post Office have the right to accept such a letter from the sender, send it and still try to squeeze me into receiving an anonymous letter with a receipt?
    As a service provider it even has a duty to accept and a million orders to send the same letter to the same person. As you put it "trying to push" is simply providing a service that someone has paid for.
  • #7 19895197
    minimaxi
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    Gentlemen, read the question carefully, please. You are heading in the wrong direction. The post office thinks that the sender on the envelope should be there, but does nothing, as I have proved that there is precisely no sender on the envelope. And why do you need a photo of the envelope at all? The envelope is white, without a stamp, with a number which, of course, I read out, but which does not indicate the sender, only the place of posting. When I send a registered mail, the Post Office makes me write my address, so how is it, are there equal and more equal? The discussion is general, I am not going to confess my beautiful life here. :) .
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  • #8 19895271
    Preskaler
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    Paper will accept anything. You can write on the envelope, for example, just a post office box number or a fictitious address. How will the post office check? After all, they only ask for proof when you receive a registered mail, and it has never happened to me that they do this when I send one. I, on the other hand, was harassed for several years by registered mail to my address, but the addressee was a person I did not know. I explained to the postman several times and went to the UP until the matter was finally dropped. How many times has it happened that someone has given a fictitious address because they were obliged to do so, but, for example, a homeless person doesn't have one, so they give a fictitious one (existing or not). It happened to me once, too, that I gave a fictitious address (Dionizy Wilk ul. Leśna 12) to a dog food wholesaler, because they wouldn't sell me the goods without it. I gave the dog's name and a fictitious name and street and then made the purchase. The average person's struggle with bureaucracy is doomed to failure. The office is able to send a notice (summons, etc.) to a fictitious or wrong address and the legal consequences work and it is often very difficult or even impossible to undo them.
    P.S..
    To answer your, title question I write - yes maybe. The question is rhetorical because if you have received such a dispatch then you can see for yourself that it can.
  • #9 19895339
    palmus
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    The thread is to be closed - after all, the guy has created a problem for himself out of nothing and is now afraid to solve it. Already the second thread is swelling with foam, and probably after this one is closed the recipient of the registered mail will set up another one with the problem "I found a blank card in the registered mail with no sender's details. What to do!"
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    karolark
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    Well, a lack of regular bowel movements results in an accumulation of toxins.
    Which toxins go higher and higher after the classic Zagloba
    And the result is imaginary problems
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  • #14 19895855
    homo_sapiens
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    Jarzabek666 wrote:
    Corporations have contracts with the post office, so it just shows the contract number...
    .
    And it was so much fun (I read both topics). You spoiled all the fun. :D
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  • #17 19896090
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    minimaxi wrote:
    When I send a registered letter, the Post Office makes me enter my address, so how is it, are there equal and more equal?
    This is probably more about the "computerisation" of receipt of postage at the Post Office. The postal programme which manages this will not (I think) accept "uninscribed" data in the relevant boxes of the programme. The appropriate "formula" must be entered there in order to be able to accept the payment and "book" the postage received. Without the sender's address entered (real or fictitious - irrelevant), this cannot be done....
    Those who have some kind of contract with the post office for postage are already "noted" in the system and all they need (maybe) is the contract number....
  • #18 19896194
    minimaxi
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    As far as the Universal Service Regulations are concerned, everything is clear:
    Quote:
    § 6
    (1) The consignment shall bear the particulars identifying the sender and the addressee and their addresses. The requirement to mark
    information identifying the sender does not apply to the postcard.
    2.

    and PP confirms this, however when I show what I have received it spreads its hands and doesn't know how to get out of it. I guess the procedure is not complete. I have filed a complaint, I am probably in a losing situation, but we will see how the gibberish of the justification will sound, because PP has contributed in this case to so-called anonymous harassment - the lawyer pulls it under harassment.
    And the situation is not funny, as some people here suggest, because there have been many such letters and it is high time to put an end to it.

    The Contract number refers to the payment and not the sender's address.
    I used to close threads opened by me myself. :) The topic, in my opinion, is suitable for HydePark, draws attention or warns others against accepting such incorrectly described letters.
  • #19 19896388
    gaskoin
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    minimaxi wrote:
    Warns others against accepting such misdescribed letters.
    But what is it warning against? Take us through what it's about because emotions are running high.
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  • #21 19897124
    Grzegorz740
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    For all intents and purposes, what good would it do you if there was an address on the envelope when you don't even know what's in it?

    Is it that hard to open and see what's in the envelope?

    Open the envelope and share with us what it contains.

Topic summary

✨ The discussion centers around the possibility of sending a registered letter without a sender's name on the envelope. Participants clarify that while the sender's address is typically required for registered mail, it may not be visibly marked on the envelope itself. The sender's information can be found on the eRka consignment form, and postal regulations allow for some flexibility regarding sender identification. However, there are legal implications for receiving anonymous letters, and recipients have the right to refuse suspicious mail. The conversation also touches on the responsibilities of postal services and the potential for anonymous harassment through such mailings.
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FAQ

TL;DR: In Poland, refused registered mail is deemed delivered after 14 days; "Any letter we refuse becomes delivered." You can still refuse, but legal deadlines run, and tracking may reveal the sender. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19894185]

Why it matters: It helps recipients and senders in Poland handle anonymous-looking registered letters without missing deadlines or losing recourse.

Quick Facts

Can a registered letter be sent without a sender name on the envelope in Poland?

By regulation, a consignment should include sender and addressee details. The exception is postcards. Postal operators can refuse service if a sender does not meet these requirements. Yet, users report letters arriving without a printed sender. The rule and the refusal basis are clear in the cited regulation excerpts. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19895907]

Why did my registered envelope arrive with no sender printed?

Large mailers use contracts with Poczta Polska. Their registered envelopes can show only a contract number instead of a printed sender. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19895521]

Can I refuse a registered letter? What happens next?

Yes. You can refuse delivery. However, the item is treated as delivered for legal effects. If not picked up, it becomes delivered after 14 days, with two delivery notices issued. Deadlines for appeals or responses still run. "Any letter we refuse becomes delivered." [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19894185]

Is 'refused' the same as 'delivered' under Polish post practice?

Refusal counts as delivered for legal purposes, even if you did not read it. As one poster put it, "Refusal = served but not received." Plan your response times accordingly. [Elektroda, gaskoin, post #19894509]

Does the post office have to accept an anonymous-looking registered letter?

Yes. As a service provider, the post office accepts and transmits paid consignments. It can accept repeated mailings to the same addressee. The envelope may lack a printed sender, but the item still enters the system. [Elektroda, gaskoin, post #19894509]

How do I check who sent a registered letter if the envelope shows nothing?

Use the item’s number to check Poczta Polska eMonitoring or the return receipt slip. "The sender information will be there too." How-To: 1. Find the tracking number on the label. 2. Enter it at emonitoring.poczta-polska.pl. 3. Review the sender field or attached proof-of-delivery. [Elektroda, clubber84, post #19894180]

Can the post open mail when the sender’s address is missing?

Yes. If an item cannot be delivered or returned due to a missing or incorrect sender address, it is undeliverable. Such mail "may be opened" to obtain data enabling delivery or return. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19895832]

Why must I write a sender address when I post a registered letter?

Counter systems require sender fields to book and charge postage. Without sender data, the program will not complete the transaction. Contract customers are pre-registered and can post using a contract number. "Without the sender’s address entered, this cannot be done." [Elektroda, wojtek1234321, post #19896090]

If sender data is missing, is the item reclassified?

Regulations say consignments not marked as required may be treated as economy mail, with exceptions for animals and short shelf-life goods. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19895980]

My tracking shows only the posting location, not a sender name. Is that expected?

Yes. Users report numbers that show the posting location without a printed sender on the envelope. You can still read the number and track processing. [Elektroda, minimaxi, post #19895197]

Could the sender label have fallen off during transport?

Yes. The operator expects the sender’s address to be present at posting. A label can detach in transit, leaving no sender visible on the envelope. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19895784]

What can I do if I’m being harassed with anonymous registered letters?

File a complaint with Poczta Polska and document each item number and date. A lawyer may qualify repeated anonymous mailings as harassment. Keep envelopes and receipts as evidence. [Elektroda, minimaxi, post #19896194]

Can a refused letter be returned without a visible sender address?

If the sender is not on the envelope, return is difficult without internal sender data. That is why the sender’s address should be present. [Elektroda, Preskaler, post #19893692]

Can the post refuse to accept my mailing if I omit the sender address?

Yes. Under the Postal Law and service regulations, the operator may refuse an agreement when sender markings are missing. [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #19895907]
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