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Registered letter - can there be an anonymous sender?

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  • #1 19893356
    minimaxi
    Level 15  
    Since I've already been locked out of a previous similar thread, and the answers have been rambling, I'll now formulate the question in far more concrete terms: Can a registered letter have an anonymous sender? I.e. no sender's name on the front, back, side etc. of the envelope?

    I know that receipt of such a letter may have character and legal consequences and I am under no obligation to receive such a letter, but does the Post Office have the right to accept such a letter from the sender, post it and still try to press me into receiving an anonymous letter with a receipt?
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  • #2 19893692
    Preskaler
    Level 40  
    Everyone has the right to refuse a consignment. If you think a parcel is suspicious you refuse it. The sender's address should be because how can you, if you refuse to accept a parcel, return it?
  • #3 19893860
    palmus
    Level 34  
    Can't you ask at the source i.e. the post office?
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  • #4 19894180
    clubber84
    Level 37  
    Author.
    I will answer the question for you:
    - No, there does not have to be a sender on the side, front, back or corner of the registered mail.
    The sender can be found on the eRka consignment form and on the "return" attached to it (if the sender requests it and, of course, pays an additional fee for it).
    The registered mail will have its number in the postal system, which you can enter at this address - link .
    The sender information will be there too (in your previous topic, a colleague has already explained to you this way of checking the sender - why didn't you do it?).
    It was also asked if you would upload a photo of this consignment with the addressee details blurred out, so show a photo.
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  • #5 19894185
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #6 19894509
    gaskoin
    Level 38  
    I believed the thread would come back.... I couldn't sleep at night thinking about the mysterious letter.

    minimaxi wrote:
    I know that receipt of such a letter can have character and legal consequences and I am under no obligation to receive such a letter
    You are confusing receipt with delivery, but this was explained by a colleague above. Refusal = served but not received.

    minimaxi wrote:
    Does the Post Office have the right to accept such a letter from the sender, send it and still try to squeeze me into receiving an anonymous letter with a receipt?
    As a service provider it even has a duty to accept and a million orders to send the same letter to the same person. As you put it "trying to push" is simply providing a service that someone has paid for.
  • #7 19895197
    minimaxi
    Level 15  
    Gentlemen, read the question carefully, please. You are heading in the wrong direction. The post office thinks that the sender on the envelope should be there, but does nothing, as I have proved that there is precisely no sender on the envelope. And why do you need a photo of the envelope at all? The envelope is white, without a stamp, with a number which, of course, I read out, but which does not indicate the sender, only the place of posting. When I send a registered mail, the Post Office makes me write my address, so how is it, are there equal and more equal? The discussion is general, I am not going to confess my beautiful life here. :) .
  • #8 19895271
    Preskaler
    Level 40  
    Paper will accept anything. You can write on the envelope, for example, just a post office box number or a fictitious address. How will the post office check? After all, they only ask for proof when you receive a registered mail, and it has never happened to me that they do this when I send one. I, on the other hand, was harassed for several years by registered mail to my address, but the addressee was a person I did not know. I explained to the postman several times and went to the UP until the matter was finally dropped. How many times has it happened that someone has given a fictitious address because they were obliged to do so, but, for example, a homeless person doesn't have one, so they give a fictitious one (existing or not). It happened to me once, too, that I gave a fictitious address (Dionizy Wilk ul. Leśna 12) to a dog food wholesaler, because they wouldn't sell me the goods without it. I gave the dog's name and a fictitious name and street and then made the purchase. The average person's struggle with bureaucracy is doomed to failure. The office is able to send a notice (summons, etc.) to a fictitious or wrong address and the legal consequences work and it is often very difficult or even impossible to undo them.
    P.S..
    To answer your, title question I write - yes maybe. The question is rhetorical because if you have received such a dispatch then you can see for yourself that it can.
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  • #9 19895339
    palmus
    Level 34  
    The thread is to be closed - after all, the guy has created a problem for himself out of nothing and is now afraid to solve it. Already the second thread is swelling with foam, and probably after this one is closed the recipient of the registered mail will set up another one with the problem "I found a blank card in the registered mail with no sender's details. What to do!"
  • #10 19895521
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #11 19895718
    karolark
    Level 42  
    Well, a lack of regular bowel movements results in an accumulation of toxins.
    Which toxins go higher and higher after the classic Zagloba
    And the result is imaginary problems
  • #12 19895784
    pitrel
    Level 22  
    According to the Postal Law, the post office has regulations for the provision of universal services. If parcels do not meet the conditions set out in the regulations the post office, refuses to provide the service. According to these regulations, the sender's address should be on the registered mail. And that's it, prove that it wasn't there at the time of posting. Maybe someone glued it on so that it fell off during transport.
  • #13 19895832
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #14 19895855
    homo_sapiens
    Level 23  
    Jarzabek666 wrote:
    Corporations have contracts with the post office, so it just shows the contract number...
    .
    And it was so much fun (I read both topics). You spoiled all the fun. :D
  • #15 19895907
    pitrel
    Level 22  
    Jarzabek666 wrote:
    Reading the postal regulations we have this provision

    § 36
    1. A postal item, which cannot be delivered to the addressee or returned to the sender due to reason of missing or incorrect sender address called undeliverable mail, may be opened by the Polish Post Office in order to obtain the data enabling it to be delivered or returned to the sender.
    .
    There are plenty of provisions that are made for irregularities, this is an example of one of them. A missing address is an irregularity and then the post office can open the parcel. But according to the same regulations:
    § 6
    (1) The parcel shall be marked with information identifying the sender and the addressee and their addresses.
    The requirement to mark with information identifying the sender does not apply to the postcard.
    And further, according to the Postal Law :

    Article 16 [Refusal to conclude an agreement on provision of postal service, withdrawal from the agreement].
    1.
    The postal operator shall refuse to conclude an agreement for provision of postal services or may withdraw from the agreement if:
    1)
    1) the requirements for provision of postal services specified in the Act or in regulations issued on its basis, as well as in the regulations for provision of postal services are not met by the sender;
  • #16 19895980
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #17 19896090
    wojtek1234321
    Level 36  
    minimaxi wrote:
    When I send a registered letter, the Post Office makes me enter my address, so how is it, are there equal and more equal?
    This is probably more about the "computerisation" of receipt of postage at the Post Office. The postal programme which manages this will not (I think) accept "uninscribed" data in the relevant boxes of the programme. The appropriate "formula" must be entered there in order to be able to accept the payment and "book" the postage received. Without the sender's address entered (real or fictitious - irrelevant), this cannot be done....
    Those who have some kind of contract with the post office for postage are already "noted" in the system and all they need (maybe) is the contract number....
  • #18 19896194
    minimaxi
    Level 15  
    As far as the Universal Service Regulations are concerned, everything is clear:
    Quote:
    § 6
    (1) The consignment shall bear the particulars identifying the sender and the addressee and their addresses. The requirement to mark
    information identifying the sender does not apply to the postcard.
    2.

    and PP confirms this, however when I show what I have received it spreads its hands and doesn't know how to get out of it. I guess the procedure is not complete. I have filed a complaint, I am probably in a losing situation, but we will see how the gibberish of the justification will sound, because PP has contributed in this case to so-called anonymous harassment - the lawyer pulls it under harassment.
    And the situation is not funny, as some people here suggest, because there have been many such letters and it is high time to put an end to it.

    The Contract number refers to the payment and not the sender's address.
    I used to close threads opened by me myself. :) The topic, in my opinion, is suitable for HydePark, draws attention or warns others against accepting such incorrectly described letters.
  • #19 19896388
    gaskoin
    Level 38  
    minimaxi wrote:
    Warns others against accepting such misdescribed letters.
    But what is it warning against? Take us through what it's about because emotions are running high.
  • #20 19896415
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #21 19897124
    Grzegorz740
    Level 37  
    For all intents and purposes, what good would it do you if there was an address on the envelope when you don't even know what's in it?

    Is it that hard to open and see what's in the envelope?

    Open the envelope and share with us what it contains.

Topic summary

The discussion centers around the possibility of sending a registered letter without a sender's name on the envelope. Participants clarify that while the sender's address is typically required for registered mail, it may not be visibly marked on the envelope itself. The sender's information can be found on the eRka consignment form, and postal regulations allow for some flexibility regarding sender identification. However, there are legal implications for receiving anonymous letters, and recipients have the right to refuse suspicious mail. The conversation also touches on the responsibilities of postal services and the potential for anonymous harassment through such mailings.
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