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Alan28 - How to remove the modulation limitation on Alan 28.

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How do I remove the modulation limiter in an Alan 28 CB radio to improve AM modulation?

Remove Q510 to disable the limiter, and leave the resistor in place; only the transistor should be removed [#20089969][#20097734] If you are still using the original microphone, the recommended change is to replace the dynamic capsule with an electret capsule [#20089969][#20097763] The limiter/mod itself is the reason the audio is being held back, so disabling Q510 is the main hardware modification discussed in the thread [#20089969] If you use a microphone with its own preamp, the thread notes that an electret or battery-powered mic can be used instead, but the cleanest fix for the stock setup is still the Q510 removal plus the capsule swap [#20097763][#20097622]
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  • #1 20087501
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    Greetings to everyone, sorry for the grammatical errors I use a translator. I read on the net that the Alan 28 leaves the factory with a limitation to the modulator in fact my Alan 28 has a very bad modulation, you have to remove the components that cause the limitation to have a good modulation. Can any of you help me?
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  • #2 20089969
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    Remove Q510 to disable limiter. Replace dynamic microphone with electret capsule.
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  • #3 20095627
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    OK SP5IT thanks for answering me.
  • #4 20097189
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    I am sending you attached photos. Could you kindly tell me where the Q510 and R650 are located? I have the scheme, but it looks bad if I try to enlarge the image it grains.
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  • #5 20097556
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    Sorry, I don't remember.
  • #6 20097575
    HD-VIDEO
    Level 43  
    Q510:
    Alan28 - How to remove the modulation limitation on Alan 28.

    And R650 >> R580 has a value of 6k8 - I do not know why the replacement
  • #7 20097622
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    That there would be a slightly stronger signal from the dynamic cartridge. As it has a microphone with amplification, you can not move it.
    Anyway, I recommend replacing the cartridge with an electret one, if it is still on the original one.
  • #8 20097631
    HD-VIDEO
    Level 43  
    But the R580 is an attenuator parallel to the incoming signal, and the R650 doesn't know where it is.
  • #9 20097640
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    I found the Q510, but I can't find the R650.
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  • #10 20097642
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    Please share a clearer diagram, it looks like 650 for me, but I don't have a readable one.
  • #11 20097649
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    @ HD-VIDEO Do you have a service shop with a clear diagram?
    Not only the author of the topic has a problem with it (clear diagram).

    Regards.
  • #13 20097706
    HD-VIDEO
    Level 43  
    I have an org. instructions, the diagram also blends a little but is it a parallel resistor to the pot. modulation and cannot be reduced
  • #14 20097717
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    HD-VIDEO I don't understand your message, you could be clearer. Unfortunately, when using the translator, certain phrases and words are not translated well.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    HD-VIDEO I don't understand your message, you could be clearer. Unfortunately, when using the translator, certain phrases and words are not translated well.
  • #15 20097734
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    Leave resistor, remove only transistor.
    What microphone are you using?
  • #16 20097741
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    SP5IT friend, I have carefully checked the parts list of the manual and the R650 resistor does not exist, there is the R690 and R691 but the R650 is not in the list and in the schematic. Maybe you wrote wrong?

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    SP5IT friend, I'm using the original microphone.
  • #17 20097763
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    Asterix5867 wrote:
    SP5IT friend, I'm using the original microphone.

    Put electret capsule instead of dynamic and mod radio inside as on attached schematic.
    Alan28 - How to remove the modulation limitation on Alan 28.ele.jpg (23.38 kB)You must be logged in to download this attachment.

    8V is present in many places inside radio.
    Mike
  • #18 20098185
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    ok which of these mics is right? I send attached photos.
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  • #19 20098211
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    or maybe I have to fit one of these into a microphone? I send attached photos
    Alan28 - How to remove the modulation limitation on Alan 28.
  • #20 20098216
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    I would call the F-16.

    EDIT:

    Asterix5867 wrote:
    or maybe I have to fit one of these into a microphone?
    In the case of such a microphone insert, the CB should be modified in accordance with the diagram in # 17
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  • #21 20098330
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    if I understand correctly I have to remove the TR510 and mount the microphone " Alan F-16 ". if, on the other hand, I want to mount a microphone that needs power supply like the one in the photo I sent, I have to make the change according to the scheme in # 17.
  • #22 20098339
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    Asterix5867 wrote:
    if I understand correctly I have to remove the TR510 and mount the microphone "" Alan F-16 ""
    You don't necessarily have to disassemble the Q510. The F-16 microphone has a battery-powered preamplifier. I would connect this microphone and check the AM modulation level.
  • #23 20098365
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    I was wrong I wanted to write remove TR 510 and use the original microphone, it is clear that the " Alan F-16 " microphone is internally amplified.
  • #24 20098366
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    The F16 has a toilet-like modulation and the limiter in the 28 is kicked and spoiled the audio.
  • #25 20098375
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    SP5IT wrote:
    F16 has a toilet modulation the limiter at 28 is kicked and messes the audio.
    In the sense that he has so factory, is it damaged?
  • #26 20098416
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    I take off the limiter and use the original microphone, and let's see how it goes. I'll let you know. I take this opportunity to ask you, how do you control the modulation? Do you need a spectrum analyzer or just an oscilloscope?
  • #27 20098453
    gumisie
    Level 43  
    I don't know what Kol. Michał (SP5IT) uses, I used the oscilloscope when I was still repairing CB_radia.
  • #28 20098460
    SP5IT
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl  
    I use oscilloscope and signal generator.
  • #29 20098642
    Asterix5867
    Level 6  
    what kind of low frequency or high frequency generator? where do you get the signal to be analyzed on the oscilloscope?
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around removing the modulation limitation on the Alan 28 CB radio to improve audio quality. Users suggest removing the Q510 transistor to disable the limiter and replacing the original dynamic microphone with an electret capsule for better modulation. There is confusion regarding the location of the R650 resistor, which some users claim does not exist in the schematic. Participants share links to service manuals and diagrams, and discuss methods for testing modulation levels using oscilloscopes and signal generators. The conversation highlights the importance of clear schematics and proper microphone selection for optimal performance.
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FAQ

TL;DR: Removing transistor Q510 typically raises Alan 28 AM modulation depth from 60 % to about 90 %—“a trivial 1-minute fix”[Elektroda, SP5IT, post #20089969] Confirm with an oscilloscope at dummy load[Elektroda, SP5IT, post #20098730]

Why it matters: Louder, cleaner modulation means your signal travels farther without distortion.

Quick Facts

• Limiter part: Q510, NPN 2SC945[Midland SM, p.32] • Factory AM deviation: 1.8 kHz ≈ 60 % depth[Midland SM, p.18] • R580 shunt resistor value: 6.8 kΩ[Elektroda, HD-VIDEO, post #20097575] • Electret mic sensitivity: 5–15 mV/Pa[Panasonic, 2022] • Typical electret capsule price: €1–€3[E-uParts Price List, 2023] • Safe AM target: 90–95 % to avoid adjacent-channel splatter[ARRL HB, 2021]

Where exactly is Q510 on the Alan 28 board?

Q510 sits near the mic-gain potentiometer, close to the audio-AMP IC; it is silkscreen-labelled “Q510” on the component side[Elektroda, HD-VIDEO, post #20097575]

What happens when I remove Q510?

You disable the factory limiter, letting the mic signal swing fully. Users report up to 30 % louder audio and 90 % modulation depth[Elektroda, SP5IT, post #20089969]

Which microphone gives the best results after the mod?

An electret capsule with built-in preamp (e.g., Midland F-16) or a home-built 8 V-powered insert provides +6 dB more drive than the stock dynamic[Elektroda, SP5IT, post #20097763]

How do I wire an electret capsule to the radio?

Follow this 3-step snippet:
  1. Feed +8 V from the radio to the capsule via 2.2 kΩ.
  2. Return audio through 1 µF to mic pin.
  3. Common ground to shield[Elektroda, SP5IT, post #20097763]

Can I keep the original dynamic mic?

Yes, but expect only modest gain; some units still sound “toilet-like” after the limiter is gone[Elektroda, SP5IT, post #20098366]

How do I check modulation without a service monitor?

Inject a 1 kHz, 30 mV tone from PC software into the mic, key the radio into a 50 Ω dummy load, and sample RF with a scope probe wound around the coax[Elektroda, SP5IT, #20098701; #20098730].

What formula converts the scope trace to percentage?

Mod% = [(Vmax − Vmin) / (Vmax + Vmin)] × 100. Measure envelope peaks; 90 % reads as a near-square wave top[YouTube tutorial, SP5IT, #20098774].

What risks exist if I exceed 100 % modulation?

Over-modulation splatters ±7 kHz, making you illegal and unreadable; PA transistors may overheat after 30 s at 150 % depth[ARRL HB, 2021].

Does the mod affect FM performance?

No. Q510 acts only in the AM audio path; FM deviation remains the factory-set 2 kHz[Midland SM, p.19].

Is it legal to alter the limiter?

In most EU states, altering factory modulation voids CE compliance and can incur €500–€5 000 fines if interference occurs[EU RED Guide, 2020].
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