[Solved] Will it be possible to connect my own router at the optical fiber from Orange? H

Good morning.
They will connect me with optical fiber from Orange. How do you rate the routers that provide the service?
I like to configure the network myself, access, etc.
I'm afraid that in these routers there will not be too many possibilities.

Can I connect my own router? I have some immortal WRT54GL from Tomato, can you make some use of them with optical fiber? If not, what to buy with similar capabilities?

I couldn't find a section on fiber optics, so I created it here. Please move to the correct department.

Daniels111 wrote:

I have some immortal WRT54GL with Tomato,

They are grandparents, they are not suitable for the modern Internet

Daniels111 wrote:

If not, what to buy with similar capabilities?

Mikrotik?
There is RouterOS

Daniels111 wrote:

I like to configure the network myself, access, etc.

Well, take the ONT itself, but do you have other services with this light, such as TV?

I don't need any other services like phone or TV. I'm only interested in the internet.
So ONT + some MikroTik router?

Daniels111 wrote:

So ONT + some MikroTik router?

It's not that hop siup. You have to take the router from Orange and now you have to pay additional rent for it. However, you can ask BEFORE installing the installation and devices - preferably during a conversation with a consultant and then NECESSARY with a technician when setting the installation date that you need an ONT terminal in addition to the router. As a rule, the terminal does not give - you need to justify. The best justification is that it is not possible to put fiber in the place where the router is mounted, but the UTP cables are already laid and you can mount the fiber and ONT terminal in the patch cabinet and connect the router in the living room through the cable. Once the technician arrives and has an ONT terminal in the trunk, he will connect it to you in practice whenever you want.
Then you wait about a week for data to PPPoE (FB must be connected at that time, because Orange does link stability tests). Once you have the PPPoE password, you assemble your router.
As for the advantages of FB6 - basic configuration options, more than enough for 99% of home users. Very good radio and radio performance.
As for MT - huge configuration possibilities if someone knows how to do it. Poor radio, bandwidth much lower than on FB.
Of course, do not expect that one MT or FB will cover the entire large apartment or house (unless you pay for 600Mbps and 6Mbps will be enough for you at home).
Either way, it is worth trying to get an ONT terminal during assembly, because then it is impossible to receive it. Even if you only use FB, you will hide the ONT in the wardrobe for the future.

ONT and also FritzBox 4040.

Wi-Fi works great, the router has a decent set of options, you can put a media server and us on it.
It's easy to use, I haven't heard about holes in the system, updates come out from time to time and they can be installed automatically.

When I was still working as an IT outsourcing, I put a few companies on it, they are still operating today.
In addition, it has a built-in IPSec VPN, so you can remotely connect to your home, and Fritzbox provides free DDNS for its routers.

It looks terrible, but other than that 10/10, the 4020 I still use in one place and it's like a tank.
Mikrotik for a layman is evil incarnate, not to mention that sensibly working WiFi in mikrotik is a bit of a fairy tale.
Not that I have anything against MT, because I use dozens of these routers for many things, but it's like promising someone who has been sitting on windows all his life that he will be better on Linux.

As a supplement - MT cannot perform PPPoE on multiple cores. He only uses one. Therefore, for example, for a 600Mbps link, you need to buy a specific and expensive model in which one efficient core will be used (to process this traffic) and the remaining 75% of the device is idle.
What I would personally recommend if FB really limited me - just like FritzBox or Draytek's friend before. They are plug-and-forget devices and have good support for several years after purchase.

Only in memory I do not remember how to set VLAN ID 35 on the WAN on FritzBox, I do not know if it was necessary or not.
I have no way to check at the moment.

VaM VampirE wrote:

Only in memory I don't remember how to set VLAN ID 35 on the WAN on FritzBox, I don't know if it was necessary or not.
I have no way to check at the moment.

It is necessary. In addition, the PPP session must be established on this logical interface and not directly on the physical interface by default.

IC_Current wrote:

You have to take the router from Orange and now you have to pay additional rent for it.

Seriously? It does not make sense.

IC_Current wrote:

However, you can ask BEFORE installing installations and devices - preferably during a conversation with a consultant and then NECESSARY with a technician when setting the installation date that you need an ONT terminal in addition to the router.

OK, valuable advice, thanks.

IC_Current wrote:

Of course, do not expect that one MT or FB will cover the entire large apartment or house (unless you pay for 600Mbps and 6Mbps will be enough for you at home).

I plan on 300 Mbs, it's more than enough for me anyway, and the apartment is small.
Alternatively, does it make sense to use my WRT54GL as access points or because they are already "grandparents" it makes no sense? 54 Mbs for phone and laptop should be enough (currently I have 10 Mbs and I live )

VaM VampirE wrote:

FritzBox 4040.
Wi-Fi works great, the router has a decent set of options, you can put a media server and us on it.

OK, currently I don't need a media server or NAS, but in the future I don't rule it out, so it may be a good option.

In general, the whole story came from the fact that I currently have Neostrada but I suffer from a weak (not to say miserable) upload. When I have to upload something to FTP or upload a video to YouTube, it takes forever. Therefore, I thought about this optical fiber since it is already brought to the estate.
I don't need any grand bells and multimedia wonders of technology Just a stable connection with a good upload + a router with the ability to secure the network and control what is happening in it.
That is, hiding the SSID, filtering devices by MAC, disabling DHCP, the ability to reduce the power of the antennas adequately to the needs, the ability to change Wi-Fi channels, some logs to be pulled out and stuff. Surely that's the standard today, or maybe not? I'm not an expert, I know something, but recently I've been developing in other directions than networks.

Daniels111 wrote:

Alternatively, does it make sense to use my WRT54GL as access points or because they are already "grandparents" it makes no sense? 54 Mbs for phone and laptop should be enough (currently I have 10 Mbs and I live)

On these WRT in an apartment in a block it will probably be around 10Mbps

Daniels111 wrote:

Seriously? It does not make sense.

IC_Current wrote:

More money makes sense for the operator, and thanks to this procedure, he can boast about a 5 zloty lower subscription in advertisements and on the website.

Daniels111 wrote:

Just a stable connection with a good upload + a router with the ability to secure the network and control what is happening in it.

This FB is enough

Daniels111 wrote:

That is, hiding the SSID

This is more of a security hole than an improvement. With such a hidden SSID, the client is constantly sending requests to join, wherever he is (even outside the home). All you need to do is set up a fake AP and you can sniff traffic from the client in the background.

Daniels111 wrote:

filtering devices by MAC, disabling DHCP

This is what FB can do

Daniels111 wrote:

the ability to reduce the power of the antennas adequately to the needs

It does not make sense. Currently, the power of the device regulates itself according to needs. There is always too little of it in the 5GHz band rather than too much.

Daniels111 wrote:

ability to change Wi-Fi channels,

On FB, you can automatically or manually change.

In fact, if it's true that I have to get a router just to make someone else's extra bucks, then that has already put me off the whole investment I'm not giving up copper and a landline phone to replace it with a router

Daniels111 wrote:

In fact, if it's true that I have to take a router just to make someone else's money, then it already put me off the whole investment

They have a hardware matrix
Either ONT and FB3, or you'll get FB6 from the march and you'll just end up in a black......chamber

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

you're about to land in a black......chamber

What is wrong with him?

Daniels111 wrote:

What is wrong with him?

If you get a separate ONT and FB3, then as they write, FB3 to the cabinet and you try to run the service on your router with the ONT connected to it.
And if you get FB6, it is a connection of 2 devices into one housing and here it is a problem to "separate" it, because physically the ONT is built into the router, and the router is also in some sense an ONT.
Variant 1 gives the possibility of full configuration - because the ONT is only a converter from light to twisted pair.
Variant 2, here you have to switch the FB6 klata to bridge/bridge mode if op provides such a mode at all, and only then his router, and so op can release new firmware and sru, you have router mode again, not bridge mode, and again switching, adjusting the settings.
ONT, when it gets a new soft, nothing changes, it's still just a converter - it will restart and the net will come back.
If the softa gets FB6 switched to bridge/bridge mode, it may either not accept the softa (I have already seen such cases ), or you FB6 will automatically switch back to the router and you will investigate why everything has died (when you are at home, it's half the trouble, but when you are in the field and want to connect to your home, you lie down).
And, not without significance, power consumption:
- ONT with 5W, FB3 with 15W - here you will throw FB3, give your router to FritzBox 4040 and it consumes around 6W, the total consumption is around 15W / h
- FB6 with 20W - here you will switch FB6 to bridge / bridge mode and it still consumes 20W, give your router even this Fritz 4040 again and you have a total of almost 30W / h
There seems to be no difference, but if the equipment runs 24/7/366 - well, the difference in the electricity bill will be visible.

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

If you get a separate ONT and FB3, then as they write, FB3 to the cabinet and you try to run the service on your router with the ONT connected to it.
And if you get FB6, it is a connection of 2 devices into one housing and here it is a problem to "separate" it, because physically the ONT is built into the router, and the router is also in some sense an ONT.

It's not like that anymore. You will always get FB6. FB3 no longer gives by default.
The FB6 has a built-in ONT terminal and a WAN port. You can have both configurations - the menu only changes whether the device is to use the integrated ONT or to use the attached external ONT.

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

Variant 2, here you have to switch the FB6 klata to the bridge/bridge mode, if such a mode is available at all, and then your router,

Unable to put FB6 into bridge mode currently. There must be an external ONT.

@IC_Current
As for what equipment they currently provide, I have also come across a situation several times that the client asked for a separate ONT and FB3 and received FB6, but I assumed that it was some local operation of the operator, as you can see it is not.

As for the bridge / bridge issue - here I am very surprised.

KOCUREK1970 wrote:

the client asked for a separate ONT and FB3 and got FB6

FB3 won't get it anymore. FB6 only. You can ask on the hotline, but they have it d.. mostly. It seems to indicate, but they say that the decisions are made by the technician on the spot. Therefore, it is always necessary to agree with the technicians before their arrival. Once when the date is set and the second time you have to remind them when they confirm the date in the morning before arrival so that they don't forget to take the terminal with them.

That is, a skin for a layette. It's hard, maybe I'll find some other solution.
Anyway, thanks for the discussion and it's good that I asked here, because I might be surprised

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