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Black list of power supplies and reputable brands of power supplies

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Which UPS brands are reputable, and is there a reliable blacklist of brands to avoid?

There is no reliable universal UPS blacklist; judging by manufacturer alone is of limited use because even reputable brands can release bad models, and the right choice depends on the exact series, age, load, battery and operating conditions [#21595724] [#21596147] Do not trust AI-generated lists blindly, because some of the listed companies may not even make UPS units [#21594335] If you want a safer pick from the thread, APC was the clearest recommendation, with EVER also mentioned as worth considering [#21594628] For an ordinary PC, a UPS only needs to keep the system alive for a few minutes, while servers need proper shutdown/management features and more careful sizing [#21594524] A used unit from a reputable brand can also be a sensible option, or even a cheap defective unit if you plan to replace the battery, but that is still a lottery [#21594491]
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  • Google AI suggests a blacklist of UPS brands

    #1 21594334
    iagre
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    >>21594332 I have not been able to find a blacklist of UPSs on websites, but AI from google.co.uk suggests one: Acutake , Akyga , Allied , Altis , Bandit Power , Coolmax , Deer , Diablotek , Foxtech , iCute , Lepa , Linkworld .
    So Gembird can be bought without risk....

    Moderated By dt1:

    Separated from the thread about blacklisting computer power supplies, as the topic has expanded a bit and turned to shopping.

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  • #2 21594335
    dt1
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    It's not worth trusting everything AI spits out. Some of these companies don't even make UPS. On top of that, the alphabet ended at L in AI, so the list is not complete (although G would already be on it).

    Is there any reason why you want to become a tester of such a device when you can buy something from a brand that specialises in power supply equipment for probably similar money?
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  • #3 21594349
    iagre
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    >>21594335 I don't want to be a tester, but a user. I want to buy a UPS that has good performance at a reasonable price and in the filtering results Gembird appears on several positions.
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    You're better off with a used one from a reputable brand, or, if you like to play around, buy a defective one for PLN40 and replace the battery. But it's a lottery. UPS and PSU are completely different devices, but if you have a company whose equipment is, ahem, of questionable quality then I don't know if I'd dare connect my equipment to that.
  • #5 21594508
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    siewcu wrote:
    buy a defective one for PLN40 and replace the battery.
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    There was a period that I used to make things this way (when batteries were normally taken at the buybacks, because now it's hard), on average 2 out of 10 devices were damaged, the rest just the battery to be replaced.
  • #6 21594515
    iagre
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    >>21594491 So the Gembird brand you don't recommend? And which ones do you think are worthy of consideration?
  • UPS selection depends on load, waveform, and battery behavior

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    iagre wrote:
    I want to buy a UPS that has good performance
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    A little off the main topic but ...
    This is where the fun begins :) . Because everyone has different ideas about the word "good".
    First and foremost: what (what device) is this UPS supposed to protect?
    Do you want a full sine wave or is a rectangle enough?, possibly some anti-spike filters, a surge protector on the telephone network. Is it to be managed (with USB)? and how is it to be managed (I can't remember the name now, but I would shoot the developers of the software for one UPS - I have one on "scrap" somewhere), How many sockets, whether "full" 230V sockets or just under cable "plugs", with a display (just what for) etc.?

    And recently - which can be both a plus and a minus - I have noticed at work, compared to the old APC UPSs, that in the "new" UPSs, including this particular Gembird-Energene ("650AV UPS WITH AVR"), with a faulty internal battery the UPS will not switch on, that is, it will not even let through the correct voltage from the mains - even though it is OK in the socket. It is necessary to replace the battery with a new/working one and at least "residually" charged. Then everything will run as it should. My old APCs even without a battery, but with the correct voltage, "run" through the sockets. Well, and this is where the "plus" of the new UPSs is that you know when you should definitely replace the battery. :)

    In my opinion, for an ordinary PC (with a reasonably good power supply) there is no need to spend a lot more on a "reputable" brand. The important thing is that during a power failure it should hold for "a few minutes" until you switch off the hardware. What is different is the protection of the server. Here, how you manage shutdown etc. is very important.
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    @iagre Definitely APC, possibly EVER.
  • #9 21594637
    siewcu
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    First of all, tell us what you need. Wattage, type of enclosure, battery capacity - without this nothing will come up. I can recommend you, for example, an Orvali 10kVA with the current state of knowledge.
  • UPS requirements for high-load computer backup

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    >>21594524 Sinus is not needed. The main application is to keep several computers and peripherals running. High power and long runtime at high load are expected and, of course, protection against overvoltage or other network faults and control of the charge and technical status via USB or LAN and all this in a preferred budget not exceeding PLN1000.

    P. S.: And also that this UPS is not blacklisted as a UPS.
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  • #11 21595424
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    Well, count on adding another zero to that amount. And if you have APFC in these computers - then yes, a sine wave is needed.
  • #12 21595457
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    >>21595424 This is a secondary matter. This post is primarily about creating a complete Black List of UPSs .
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    There is too much of it. The original title list is also way out of date, as even reputable manufacturers can release crap. "PSU tier list" search, there will be a sheet in google docs. For UPS I haven't seen such a thing, and here I'm afraid it would be simpler to go the other way and make a whitelist.
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    >>21595724 If it's simpler, I'd like to ask experts on the subject to give their opinion on the following brands - black list (reasons), white list (advantages), average.
    + APC .
    ? ARMAC
    - CYBERPOWER
    ? DIGITUS ?
    ? Eaton
    + EVER
    ? EVEREST ?
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    ? GREENCELL ?
    ? Legrand ?
    ? NEWELL ?
    ? Orvaldi ?
    ? POWERWALKER ?
    ? QOLTEC ?
    ? SVEN ?
    ? VOLT
    ...
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    Manufacturer-only ratings are too unreliable

    #15 21596147
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    It seems to me that this will make little sense, unless someone runs a service and has dealt with specific brands - and is able to point out their more serious flaws. Because "I've had it for x months/years and it works" answers are, let's assume, hardly a reliable indication of the quality of such a device and its suitability. The list will be of little use, because it evaluates the manufacturer, not the device. For the same reason, the blacklist of power supplies also makes little sense in my opinion as it was created long ago. It was created at a time when low-end power supply tragedy may have actually prevailed and there were a few brands available in our country which, in contrast, made more sense, then it could have been of any use, whereas nowadays, the classification of power supplies only by manufacturer makes no sense anymore, because most manufacturers produce both good/acceptable and poor power supplies.

    Going back to the list of UPS manufacturers - in my example, let's take company X. Let's say I have 50 of this brand's UPS under control. 10 of them have died on me. Should I specify the brand right or wrong? Further - I've had models of mainly one series die - does that change the rating of the brand as a whole, or is it still bad because 20% have failed? What about service life? If a 5 year old power supply died, can it be forgiven, or is the manufacturer bad? And the operating conditions? A ventilated rack in an air-conditioned server room might be different from a never-dusted space behind a cabinet under a desk? Could a power supply from which I removed a lint of dust the size of a small animal fail under such conditions, or is the manufacturer bad after all? And what if the battery? After all, that's a fault too. In some models they died after 4-5 years. Power supplies work after it has been replaced. Further, it is worth checking if there are frequent interruptions, blackouts, power spikes, does the power supply mainly get bored? What is its load? A kit drawing 10% of its claimed capacity? Or did someone have it strapped around its max and it was running like that....

    Having access to the performance data of 50 units from a single manufacturer - can this be considered any sort of statistically significant figure for our purposes? Even though I won't be assessing them in terms of build quality or solutions used when it comes to electronics, nor will I have any reliable tests, because all I'm doing with them is replacing the AKU or replacing the whole unit?

    There are so many and more variables that can result in two completely different subjective assessments of the same product. And here the idea has arisen that a manufacturer should be judged on the basis of probably a few selected models from its portfolio with which it has had dealings.... Exactly how many models for such an evaluation to be authoritative? :) And so on.... :D
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    iagre
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    Then why don't you describe your bad and good experiences with the above UPS brands here?
  • CyberPower UPS added to blacklist for random shutdowns

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    No one on the subject is contributing, as if no one has any experience of this...? So I'm having to fill in the information about the above brands myself based on what I've learned from comments from customers who have made purchases. The first verified brand CYBERPOWER unfortunately has a tendency to spontaneously power down at random times, and also has a quality control problem, because there have been cases where mechanically damaged power supplies have been delivered to customers in undamaged packaging - the damage must have occurred before packaging, and besides, the poor quality materials used to manufacture this UPS stink long after it has been unpacked. So CYBERPOWER to the blacklist.

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The discussion questions the idea of a universal blacklist for UPS units and notes that AI-generated brand lists are incomplete and unreliable. Participants argue that UPS quality depends more on the specific device and use case than on the manufacturer alone, and suggest that a whitelist of reputable brands would be more practical. The original poster seeks a budget UPS for several computers and peripherals, with USB or LAN monitoring, overvoltage protection, and long runtime, while avoiding blacklisted brands. Recommendations favor established UPS specialists such as APC and EVER, with some advice to consider used units or battery replacement in defective devices. CyberPower is later added to the blacklist due to reports of random shutdowns, poor quality control, and unpleasant material odor.
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