Can the electrical frequency separating the water molecule as in electrolysis be copied?

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Can a special electrical frequency be used to split water molecules in electrolysis, and can that frequency be duplicated or monitored?

No—electrolysis does not use a unique DC frequency, because DC is a steady voltage and frequency applies to AC, not DC [#21683716] Water is split in electrolysis by ion attraction to the electrodes, and the practical measure of any setup is how much hydrogen and oxygen you get per unit of input power [#21683719] Some reports mention improved electrolysis when ordinary DC is combined with AC or pulsed DC, but that is not the same as a special frequency that uniquely separates water [#21683716][#21683719] Pure water is difficult to electrolyze because it is only slightly conductive, so other chemicals are often added [#21683719] One reply also notes that microwave frequencies can excite water molecules, but a DC bias would still be needed to collect any ions before recombination, and the voltages/frequencies involved may be hazardous [#21683722]

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Clarifying whether electrolysis has a unique DC frequency
#1 21683714 05 Jan 2020 00:59

Thomas Boyce Thomas Boyce

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Clarifying whether electrolysis has a unique DC frequency
Post #1 21683714 05 Jan 2020 00:59

A curious look at electrolysis
After reading the quotes below I ask these questions ~~~~~
"Non-integer-frequency crystals will work well, as long as the crystal's frequency is between the microcontroller's maximum and minimum crystal frequencies. The non-integer frequencies exist to ease generation of frequencies needed in particular applications. 3.2768 MHz = 100 * 32768 Hz and 6.144 MHz can be divided to generate baud rates for an RS-232 serial port.
6.144 MHz = 6144 kHz = 5 * 1228.8 kHz. Most serial ports need a clock at 16 times the baud rate. For 76800 baud, this is 16 * 76.8 kHz = 1228.8 kHz. Lower baud rates (except 110 baud) are 76800 baud divided by a power of two: 38400 baud, 19200 baud, 9600 baud, 4800 baud, 2400 baud, 1200 baud, 600 baud, 300 baud. For 115200 baud (pioneered by the original IBM PC), 115.2 kHz * 16 = 1843.2 kHz = 1.5 * 1228.8 kHz.
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~~~~Can the separation of the water molecule as in electrolysis be caused by a unique DC frequency and if so can this frequency be duplicated?
~~~~ Is there a way to automatically monitor the water molecule reactions to varying frequency changes? When a change occurs, the change is recorded like noting a blip or spike in the frequency flow?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_oscillator_frequencies
Just curious
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#2 21683715 05 Jan 2020 01:05

Thomas Boyce Thomas Boyce

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21683715 05 Jan 2020 01:05

This would create a path to limitless energy potential which
is contrary to the fossil fuel industry, so no, this will never be pursued.
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DC has no frequency in electrolysis
#3 21683716 05 Jan 2020 14:55

David Ashton David Ashton

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DC has no frequency in electrolysis
Post #3 21683716 05 Jan 2020 14:55

Thomas I don't know where you got these ideas from but forget them. This article basically says there is no such thing. Some studies have reported improved electrolysis by combining the usual DC with some AC, or using pulsed DC. And DC is a steady voltage so "unique DC frequency" does not make any sense, only AC has frequency. Your ultimate test of any electrolysis system will be how much hydrogen and oxygen you get out per unit of input power.
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Disputes zero-sum interpretation of conservation of energy
#4 21683717 06 Jan 2020 04:52

Thomas Boyce Thomas Boyce

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Disputes zero-sum interpretation of conservation of energy
Post #4 21683717 06 Jan 2020 04:52

",.,.,.,.. Your ultimate test of any electrolysis system will be how much hydrogen and oxygen you get out per unit of input power."
David Ashton, it has been proven that a water molecule can
be split, separating the oxygen atoms and the hydrogen atom. As you know one of
the means to accomplish this is through electrolysis. We know very little conserving
the molecule breakup other than the molecule does indeed split, freeing up the
two atoms.It is immaterial whether it took more energy to split the
water molecule than one could get out of re-combining this molecule. The real benefit
is that we now have free hydrogen and oxygen atoms.The value of having these standalone atoms should not be
compared to the electrical cost in performing this split.There is a statement out there that basically states--------
In physics and chemistry, the law of conservation of
energy states that the total energy of an isolated system remains constant;
it is said to be conserved over time.[1] This law means that energy can
neither be created nor destroyed; rather, it can only be transformed or
transferred from one form to another.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy

The statement, “it can only be transformed or
transferred from one form to another” appears to state that the
process is a zero-sum game. I disagree with this notion.
#5 21683718 06 Jan 2020 05:06

Thomas Boyce Thomas Boyce

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21683718 06 Jan 2020 05:06

"only AC has frequency" If a form of “frequency”
did not split the water molecule then what did?

And/or can this physical act upon the water molecule be
replicated by other means on the water molecule and can more complex
molecules be split as well -?
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Electrolysis is ion attraction, not frequency
#6 21683719 06 Jan 2020 06:18

David Ashton David Ashton

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Electrolysis is ion attraction, not frequency
Post #6 21683719 06 Jan 2020 06:18

Thomas...> If a form of “frequency” did not split the water molecule then what did?Electrolysis involves the separation of molecules by attraction of ions to electrodes. Ions are formed either by dissolving or heating a chemical. I'd suggest you look up the wikipedia article on electrolysis for further information. Frequency is not involved here.> The statement, “it can only be transformed or transferred from one form to another” appears to state that the process is a zero-sum game. I disagree with this notion.If you disagree with the currently accepted laws of physics then I don't think I can help you further.> This would create a path to limitless energy potential which is contrary to the fossil fuel industry, so no, this will never be pursued.If there was limitless energy available then someone would have cottoned on to it by now.> And/or can this physical act upon the water molecule be replicated by other means on the water molecule and can more complex molecules be split as well -?Yes - read the Wikipedia article for more examples. Pure water is difficult to electrolyse as it is only slightly conductive, other chemicals must be added.
#7 21683720 06 Jan 2020 22:36

Max Maxfield Max Maxfield

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21683720 06 Jan 2020 22:36

Using non-integer frequencies will end in tears. Have you read Stephen Hawking's book God Created the Integers (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0762430044)? After a great deal of mental computation, I have arrived at what may well be the perfect transcendental DC frequency required to split the water molecule (perhaps two molecules on a good day), but I fear this knowledge is too dangerous to share.
With regard to the concept of energy only being transformed from one form to another being a zero-sum game (as I pen these words I'm thinking to myself, "Ah, so many things are"). The people who believe energy can only be transformed from one form to another are the same that claim entropy only runs uphill. One can only shake one's head in disbelief.Keep up the good work and please report back on your progress.
#8 21683721 07 Jan 2020 05:03

Chip Fryer Chip Fryer

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21683721 07 Jan 2020 05:03

MaxGreat to see you around.You have been missed!
AC/DC combination proposed for water molecule excitation
#9 21683722 07 Jan 2020 07:04

Elizabeth Simon Elizabeth Simon

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AC/DC combination proposed for water molecule excitation
Post #9 21683722 07 Jan 2020 07:04

It occurs to me that a combination of AC and DC could be what is needed. For instance, the frequencies used in microwave ovens are known to excite water molecules. However, a DC bias voltage is needed to collect any positive and negative ions that may be generated before they can recombine.I anticipate significant problems in getting this to work. Not the least of which is that the voltages and frequencies concerned are likely to be hazardous to one's health. Since the human body contains a high percentage of water, there is good reason that microwave ovens are well shielded.
#10 21683723 17 Jan 2020 13:59

john sm john sm

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21683723 17 Jan 2020 13:59

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The discussion explores whether a specific electrical frequency, akin to those used in electrolysis, can be replicated to separate water molecules. It clarifies that electrolysis typically involves DC voltage causing ion attraction to electrodes, with no inherent frequency in DC; only AC signals have frequency. Some studies suggest pulsed DC or combined AC/DC can improve electrolysis efficiency. The concept of a "unique DC frequency" is scientifically inaccurate since DC is steady voltage without frequency. The separation of water molecules is a chemical process driven by energy input, not by a resonant frequency. Microwave frequencies can excite water molecules but do not cause electrolysis; a DC bias is required to collect ions. The law of conservation of energy applies, meaning energy input equals or exceeds output, negating the possibility of limitless energy from this process. Attempts to use non-integer or transcendental frequencies for splitting water molecules are speculative and lack empirical support. Safety concerns arise with high voltages and frequencies needed for such processes.
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Can the electrical frequency separating the water molecule as in electrolysis be copied?

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