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Smart Ready - what cabling for underfloor heating at the shell stage

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  • #1 21836567
    tata pracuje
    Level 9  
    Hello

    I am laying the electrical installation in a newly built house. I am doing a lot of things under Smart Ready: light control, heating, recuperation, motion sensors and interior blinds.

    I've connected UTP to each button box for the lights, which flies to the control panel in the basement. Someday I might hook this up to Smart.

    How do I route the wiring for the heating? Twisted pair from the control panel to the thermostat box is sufficient? 230 V from the control panel to the thermostat box also? What wiring to the manifold, boiler room?
    I have 4 places between which I don't know how to lay cables for the future: thermostats, distributors, control cabinet, boiler room.

    regards

    regards
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  • #2 21838368
    roman_partyka
    Level 27  
    Contrary to what others write I would lay all the cables in a star. If you make a bus and something goes wrong, everything stops working.
    Consider whether you need temperature sensors e.g. in the switch box or whether you want super readings of the actual floor temperature.
    If it's from the floor, these sensors are not interchangeable.

    It's probably better to set the flow rates on the rotameters so that the desired temperature is achieved. Any additional thermostats will only complicate the installation and increase costs.
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  • #3 21838772
    tata pracuje
    Level 9  
    >>21838368 Sure, that's how I already lay the cables from the lighting - full star. Whether it's twisted pair or power - it goes to the control panel.
    At this stage I don't know which smart system I'll use in the future, so I'm doing a bit of double wiring. As for the light, both stair and cross connections and independent power to the control panel. In the future I'll rewire in the box and add a panel.
    But back to the subject of heating. If it's going to be full star here, which cable:
    1. Thermostat - control panel?
    2. Floor manifold - control panel (and I have 3 with 9 circuits each)?
    3. Boiler room - control panel?
    Now blindly I want to put the cables in, as the plasterers are about to come in.
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  • #4 21838774
    roman_partyka
    Level 27  
    If you only want to communicate, a twisted pair will do, and if you have to control something, then appropriate cables. And here it is difficult to advise. If you want to control light, you should use 3x 1.5, for roller blinds it depends on the distance etc.

    It's better to use one cable too many than to regret it later.

    When it comes to LEDs, I'd rather go for the DALI bus (or something similar). Pulling several tens of metres and powering with 24V is a misunderstanding (not to mention 12V).
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  • #5 21842988
    tata pracuje
    Level 9  
    >>21838774 The question is exactly about the wiring of the heating control, as in my previous post. I already have the lighting redone.
  • #6 21843361
    roman_partyka
    Level 27  
    tata pracuje wrote:
    Wiring from the control panel to the thermostat box will suffice?

    And what kind of thermostat will it be?
    tata pracuje wrote:
    What kind of wiring to the manifold, boiler room?

    And what do you want to use there?
  • #7 21843467
    tata pracuje
    Level 9  
    >>21843361 I don't know. It's supposed to be universal wiring for whatever is installed there. There was a Tech in the design, but the design went in the bin.
    There may be redundant wiring, but prepared at the outset for simple thermostat control, and in a year some smart will come in.
  • #8 21844786
    roman_partyka
    Level 27  
    You expect the impossible. Pull a few cables to make it universal and then use one.

    It's kind of a question of what car to buy? You don't know what your needs are then how do you recommend something?
  • #9 21844885
    tata pracuje
    Level 9  
    >>21844786
    Quote:
    Expect the impossible. Pull several cables to make it universal and then use one.

    This is exactly what I am asking. What cabling to pull to make it universal for the future? Redundancy is not an issue for me, it's only a few gold per metre of cable at this stage.
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