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How to connect a smart switch without N to a contactor in a 2-wire installation?

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  • #1 21874999
    konsum
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    Hi.
    I'd like some advice, I'm more concerned with gaining theoretical knowledge as this is more of a conundrum that an electrician will have to deal with, namely.
    I have a street light which I switch on with a normal light switch and a contactor is switched on, I wanted to install a smart switch so that this light starts automatically etc.
    The switch has a two wire installation, black phase and blue where the voltage appears when the light is switched on.
    I fitted the smart switch to the installation without Neutral initially without the capacitor that was attached for proper operation without the Neutral wire and when I turn on the light the contactor starts the lighting comes on, but after a fraction of a second it turns off because the switch loses power and regains it after a while.
    When I fitted a capacitor it works in a similar way, only that the power is maintained for a while longer and then it goes out again and switches off.
    Would anyone be so good as to advise if there is any way to make this switch work?
    I would add that there is a spare yellow/green wire in the box from the switch and once fetched I consulted an electrician he said it could be used to power this switch.

    Close-up of a light switch mechanism with connected wires inside a wall box Smart switch module in a wall box with connected wires and a yellow capacitor on connectors Wiring diagram for B-LINE Wi‑Fi switch with capacitor, live L and neutral N wires, and a lamp White smart touch light switch with Google Assistant, Alexa and Tuya logos; phone shows ON button
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  • #2 21875007
    78db78
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    It's not working properly because you don't have a load just a contactor coil.
    When does this lighting come on? You can give something else.
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  • #3 21875008
    tos18
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    You have connected it incorrectly according to the diagram
    it is supposed to be:

    Wiring diagram for B-LINE WiFi switch with capacitor, neutral N wire, and live L supply

    you have done :

    Wiring diagram for B-LINE switch module with capacitor connected to L1 and lamp circuit

    konsum wrote:
    Add that in the box from the switch there is a free wire in yellow-green colour and once downloading I consulted it with the electrician and he said that it can be used to power this switch.

    Tell the electrician to suggest such a solution at the qualification exam (he passes one every 5 years).
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  • #4 21875013
    konsum
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    tos18 wrote:
    Tell the electrician to propose such a solution at the qualification exam (he passes one every 5 years).

    I think what he meant was that you can switch this wire in the switchboard and make it neutral.

    tos18 wrote:
    You have connected this contrary to the schematic

    Unfortunately I have no way of getting to those tubes to connect that capacitor there.
    But is the capacitor to blame for this switch not working properly?

    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    78db78 wrote:
    When does this lighting come on?

    I start it manually with a switch and it is switched on by a contactor.
    78db78 wrote:
    When does this lighting actuate?

    78db78 wrote:
    You can give something else

    I.e.?
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  • #5 21875021
    78db78
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    konsum wrote:
    I start it manually with a switch and it is switched on by a contactor.
    78db78 wrote:
    When does this lighting come on?

    78db78 wrote:
    You can give something else

    I.e.

    Astronomical clock programmer.
  • #6 21875053
    tos18
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    konsum wrote:
    tos18 wrote:
    Tell the electrician to propose such a solution at the qualification exam (he passes one every 5 years).

    I think what he meant was that you can switch this wire in the switchboard and make it neutral.

    hands are falling off.

    konsum wrote:
    Unfortunately I have no way of getting to those lamps to connect that capacitor there.

    Why to the lamps if the switch controls the contactor ? - in parallel to the coil of the contactor.

    Wiring diagram for B‑LINE Wi‑Fi switch with neutral N, live L, and a capacitor connected to L1

    78db78 wrote:
    Astronomical clock programmer.

    Installed in the switchboard next to the contactor where N will be available.
  • #7 21876186
    konsum
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    And what do you think such a smart relay I can use and will work well with this installation?

    Tongou DIN-rail Wi‑Fi relay with N and L terminals shown in a product listing screenshot Screenshot titled “Opis produktu” listing features of an energy meter and 63A Wi‑Fi relay
  • #8 21876449
    kmarkot
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    konsum wrote:
    the contactor is connected

    Connect in parallel to the contactor
    https://allegro.pl/oferta/eliminator-rozblyskow-zarowek-led-kondensator-wksl-13101838215
    >>21876186
    Instead of a contactor, this energy meter can be connected. It will not be possible to switch on manually and only with the switch, the one that has been on the wall so far.
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