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Motherboard with PCIe x4 & x16 Slots for LSISAS3041E-R SAS Controller: Comparing Two Models

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  • #1 3211461
    technikt
    Level 12  
    Hello.

    I was looking for a motherboard with PCIe x4, I chose this one:

    http://sklep.komputronik.pl/pelny.php?id=33669

    But there is something weird there, in its spec it says it has two PCIe x1, one PCIe x4, and one PCIe x16 for graphics, only that PCIe x4 looks like x16.

    Here is another album from the same producer:

    http://sklep.komputronik.pl/pelny.php?id=22042

    Which also has one PCIe x16 and one x4 each, but here you can see that one is really x4 because it's much shorter than the x16 one.

    This PCIe x4 is supposed to be for LSISAS3041E-R SAS Controller

    http://www.lsilogic.com/storage_home/products...bus_adapters/sas_hbas/lsisas3041er/index.html

    Which runs on "4-lane 2.5Gb/s PCI Express", you can see in the picture that it's a short PCIe lane, so I understand that the first board I chose has two PCIe x16, but one of them is running at x4 speed, and this controller it will not fit it and work even though it is x4? You need to look for a board with such a short, i.e. proper PCIe x4, what is in this second board?

    Regards.
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  • #2 3211619
    ZAHYR
    Level 33  
    From what I remember, pci-e is downward compatible, so you can put a x1 card in x4, and you can put x1 in x16 and higher in x16.
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  • #3 3211703
    technikt
    Level 12  
    I was most interested in the ECS P965T-A board, it has two x16 PCs, except it does not support SLI, so if they are downwards compatible, then this x4 card would work in it.

    But I don't understand something, sometimes they get x16 with the full length of the socket, i.e. it has 16 lines, and it says that the bus can work at a maximum of x8 speed, so what's the point?

    wikipedia wrote:

    Several variants of this bus are possible - with 1, 2, 4, 8, 12, 16, 24 or 32 lines (each consisting of two 2-pin parts - transmitting and receiving). With the increase in the number of lines, the slot lengthens, its design (through a common initial part and only adding new lines at the end) allows you to insert a slower card into a faster slot (the other way around is impossible)


    So I understand that it is as you write, it is compatible, and such a shorter card will always work in a longer bus, regardless of the motherboard bios and chipset, are there any exceptions? I mean this ECS will be in it.
  • #4 9031504
    elktr_infrm
    Level 21  
    The answer is as simple as building a flail: MARKETING

    Motherboards that support SLI mode for graphics cards work in two configurations (at least I've come across so many): 2 * PCIEx8 and PCIEx16 on the first slot and PCIEx4 on the second.

    Interestingly, they are sold as 2 * PCIEx16 which is an outright lie, of course. As far as I know (but I have not verified) the PCIE specification does not allow for such a possibility, the guy from pro-line stated that the link does not provide for operation with more than 16 voltage sources (I would rather talk about current sources, after all, it is a current loop - here it is analogous to the ethernet network) to power differential pairs for transmitting from the motherboard side.

    So if we see the description 2 * PCIEx16 it is only about SLOTS and not LINKS in the physical sense.
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  • #5 9031893
    Dra98
    Moderator of Computers service
    elktr_infrm wrote:
    The answer is as simple as building a flail: MARKETING


    It's not quite that simple. Most depends on the chipset used on the board. It makes it possible to work the second connector in x4 mode [probably in this model AsRock M3A770DE /AMD 770, DDR3 1333/], in turn, the ASUS P5N-E sli board allows the second link to work in x8 mode, the NF 650i chipset, and the NF 680i chipset allows the ports to work in x16 mode.
  • #6 9497762
    elktr_infrm
    Level 21  
    Let colleague Dra98 read my previous post carefully.
  • #7 9498533
    daavid117
    Level 42  
    Today, PCI-E x16 slots are mounted on motherboards - virtually all of them. So they are x16 long, but currently only one socket is x16, and the other, for example, x8 or x4. When connecting a device that is physically on PCI-E x4, there will be no problem.

    And it's not marketing. Simply, the PCI-E x16 slot is the most universal and you can plug x4, x8 cards into it. The fact that the current slot of the second slot or in CF/SLi mode is no longer x16 does not change anything. The difference in the performance of cards for about PLN 1,000 operating on PCI-E x8 and x16 is within the measurement error.
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  • #8 9503469
    elktr_infrm
    Level 21  
    Oh my...

    Well, my post only concerned the operation of cards in SLI mode, the rest is obvious (which results from the context).

    It's just that in SLI mode, at best, half the transfer per card is available compared to a card operating as a single card with PCIEx16 at its disposal.

    :idea: It just comes down to considering the wisdom of investing in two cards and that's it.

    And as for MARKETING, the point is that motherboard manufacturers try to convince a potential customer to buy a board with the implementation of 2 * PCIEx16, (YES :!: , such descriptions appear on boxes, promotional materials, etc., etc.) while in fact it is only the slot itself in the sense of a piece of plastic and not an implementation at the electronics level.

    Phew... I think I've already explained the meaning of the earlier post... :D

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting a motherboard compatible with the LSISAS3041E-R SAS Controller, specifically focusing on PCIe slot configurations. The user initially considers a motherboard with two PCIe x1, one PCIe x4, and one PCIe x16 slot, questioning the actual functionality of the x4 slot, which appears to be physically similar to an x16 slot. Responses clarify that PCIe slots are downward compatible, allowing x4 cards to function in x16 slots. However, the actual performance and lane configuration depend on the motherboard's chipset. Some motherboards may advertise multiple x16 slots, but they may not provide full x16 bandwidth for all slots simultaneously. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the chipset capabilities and the marketing practices of motherboard manufacturers regarding PCIe slot specifications.
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