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A motherboard with a maximum number of SATA ports for building a home server

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  • #1 17245628
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Hello, I am looking for a motherboard with as many SATA ports as possible, I found Asus M5A78L LE but it is large and has 6 ports, for example ASRock FM2A85X-ITX is small and has 8. In fact, the format does not matter, it is important that it has 6 ports up to build home server.
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  • #4 17245671
    funak
    Level 27  
    There is also an option to dig the ARC1280ML RAID controller in the network. I bought it, I'm happy, I have 16 ports, but the possibilities are huge, ongoing disk monitoring, e-mail alerts, etc.

    I checked, price for a penny: ($ 55)
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/ARC-ARC1280ML-VER-2-...-with-Fan/182966878648?hash=item2a99ad01b8:g: xjYAAOSwV ~ VaNO7D

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    I will add it, RAID works on DDR2, I put on a regular 2GB DDR2 and it works great. I have created RAID6 from 6 2TB disks, partition size 7.27TB.

    The downside is that this controller does not support SSD drives, and more specifically the TRIM function. In addition, it supports drives up to 2TB.
  • #5 17245953
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    funak wrote:
    There is also an option to dig the ARC1280ML RAID controller in the network. I bought it, I'm happy, I have 16 ports, but the possibilities are huge, ongoing disk monitoring, e-mail alerts, etc.

    I checked, price for a penny: ($ 55)
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/ARC-ARC1280ML-VER-2-...-with-Fan/182966878648?hash=item2a99ad01b8:g: xjYAAOSwV ~ VaNO7D

    Added after 6 [minutes]:

    I will add it, RAID works on DDR2, I put on a regular 2GB DDR2 and it works great. I have created RAID6 from 6 2TB disks, partition size 7.27TB.

    The downside is that this controller does not support SSD drives, and more specifically the TRIM function. In addition, it supports drives up to 2TB.



    What are the rest of the parameters? processor, etc., I care about the quantity because the disks are just from the company for a while after being used from 500 gb to 1t

    And when it comes to RAID ARC1280ML it is a great option, but for the future, because I do not have such a budget or so many disks, unless it is better to buy a poor motherboard and right away

    and is it possible to set Asus M5A78L-LE AM3 + to act as RAID 6
  • #6 17246053
    funak
    Level 27  
    Honestly, this $ 55 option is a very good option, strangely cheap.
    Normally, these cards (from the USA) can be purchased for at least $ 150, and in Poland they cost PLN 2,000.
    SAS-8087 cables are also required for this card.

    As for the card, it has one more advantage that manifests itself with a larger number of disks, namely it manages the power supply, which causes a large current consumption when starting 20 disks, which causes the power supply to be turned off, while this card causes the disks to run consecutively one after the other, not simultaneously. In addition, having disks, for example 7200 rpm, you can set the disks to slow down to 5400 after 10 minutes of inactivity. You can hear a characteristic sound of slowing down the rotation.

    As for the parameters:

    Computer based on i7-5820K, DDR4 32GB, but that is insignificant here. There are 3 Win7 x64 virtual systems on the computer, MySQL databases on RAID6 with an average continuous disk load of 200MB / s.

    I plan to extend the matrix with two additional disks soon, I am waiting for a further increase in performance.

    Today I tested the matrix, it turned out that the sequential reading from the matrix is at the level of 1200MB / s at the moment.
    The recording was much worse due to a heavily fragmented disk, it came out at 140MB / s, but I remember that I was able to write at the level of 700MB / s.

    Added after 11 [minutes]:

    As for RAID6, it is supported by hardware RAID cards.
    So built into the motherboard, that's RAID5 - unfortunately.

    I checked the M5A78L LE board, unfortunately it only supports RAID0 and RAID1.

    So you are left with Windows RAID5.

    Regarding RAID5, I can make a small digression, namely - how to use RAID5 +, at least RAID6. Why?

    I used to have RAID5. The matrix consisted of 4 disks. One disk "crashed", so I replaced it with a new one, plugged it in and the matrix was rebuilt, it took ages, but it was restored. I thought to myself - there is technology. Cool thing. After some time the second disk got damaged, I was glad to replace another disk with a new one, the matrix reconstruction started. Wait Ino until it's finished. And then suddenly - tick, Error, another disk "crashed". It could not withstand the burden of restoring the matrix, after all, it worked from the very beginning and the matrix degraded! It took me a long time to put it all together and get the data back. But then I told myself - never RAID5, only RAID6. And in fact - it works elegantly. The risk that 3 disks will fail is much lower.
  • #7 17246185
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Looking at your specifications, it is a very serious piece of equipment, but I wanted this server to be used simply for storing photos and videos (so RAID 6 is recommended) because I do it and there is a lot of it. If possible, I wanted to do the same as I did with Mega.net, for example, to be able to share some form of a link with someone and that he would have access to them online and so that I could connect with this data, for example, on the phone through an app or on another PC, because I'm often away from home and sometimes I need access to it. But now I am wondering whether I should not connect it to my Intel Core i7 7700k DDR4 16 GB 3200MHz computer, add this card and connect these disks on it. It's just that it is different with this PC, for example, my brother will drop in to play some games and relogate and sometimes he likes to switch something accidentally, so what would you recommend? a separate machine on some weaker components or this computer. These things are mainly supposed to lie there, I do not really care about the speed, because if, for example, I process the film, I give it to ssd anyway because it is faster.
  • #8 17246217
    funak
    Level 27  
    When it comes to a file server, you can easily do something related to i5, 4GB of RAM and a RAID card for it.

    The question is for the disks to go into the housing and somehow supply it with an appropriate power supply. Release the 1Gbit twisted pair outside and it walks like a doll. You then have continuous access to the computer. No downtime.

    Note that when creating a RAID array, if you have 500GB and 1000GB disks, only 500GB will be used for a 1TB disk, as all disks must be of equal capacity. If they are different, then RAID takes the smallest of them into account and determines such use for the others.

    Second thing, for example 6 disks takes up a bit of space, it weighs a little, so the case is large, so I don't know if it would be a better solution to pack your i7 core into it. I think it's more economical after all. The file server will work anyway, whether the brother reloads or not. So basically it is enough for the computer to be operational.

    As for sharing files over the network directly from the disk, this is what I am slowly trying to do. For now, I'm using TeamViewer and DropBox.
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  • #9 17246235
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    That's what I think and, however, this solution with my computer falls off because it just annoys me when I think about the fan in the PC at night, despite the fact that I have be quiet! Dark Rock PRO 3 and a half passive power supply, it annoys me anyway, so I'd rather put the server somewhere behind the wall in the attic, for example, let it go there. I think that if I put it together from used parts, I would find a motherboard on the i5 mini itx for PLN 100-150 a processor also somewhere, and I think that I would also find 8 GB of RAM (in total, I will ask my uncle because I have a situation that robots, I will get these disks or used for a while, or almost ingl, I will ask about the ram or some such motherboards) and if this motherboard does not play such a big role, I would prefer to invest PLN 250 in this card and all disks on RAID 6 and all of them equal to 500 gb and there is no problem. As you think?

    This twisted pair you are talking about is just to the router, right? And it will work normally also under wifi?
    And what system do you have Windows Server for these files? ubuntu server? or what do you recommend for something like this (at school I do the win server and I thought honestly about it)
  • #10 17246252
    funak
    Level 27  
    Good idea. 1Gbit twisted pair, but you must have a 1Gbit router, then you will actually be able to access via WiFi. Also on the mobile phone. I use TotalCommander for Android.

    System currently: Windows 10 x64 PL, unfortunately Windows Server is too expensive for home use.
    Second, Windows Server is good, when you have a lot of users actively using the server, and at home, that's another matter entirely.
  • #11 17246258
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    How do you manage them from 10 wines through MySQL somehow? And just how it will be when I have, for example, 2 laptops and someone would like to upload something like me, for example, I upload a movie because of what you say, the server would be able to cope with it and how do you solve it? Currently, my router is TD-W8950N from orange, so there is no revelation on it. Tell me what does it look like? How does it work? I know that it is still a long way from setting up the server to sharing the website, but I have been interested in it for a long time and now I have an opportunity to start having fun with it.

    Edit:
    I just remembered that at school from the project I have a key to Windows Server 2016 and 2012, so if that's it, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
  • #12 17246273
    funak
    Level 27  
    By sharing folders. I am creating a network share. I assign a user and that's it. For example, from the laptop he writes \\ pchome and prompts for login / password. I type and I have access.

    Added after 1 [minutes]:

    Ev. you can still set the access rights to files / directories.
    Of course, it's all about Windows 10 Professional. Because I didn't mention it before.
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  • #13 17246278
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Oh like this.
    Too late edit to that.
    so on the phone you share it with TotalCommander right? Only that apart from wifi, it won't work anymore, won't it?
  • #14 17246286
    funak
    Level 27  
    With the router you entered, it is max. 100Mb / s or about 10MB / s copying the movie from one computer to another.
    So if you want to put the matrix on a separate computer, it is worth buying a 1Gbit switch and connecting the computers with each other. Then the copying speed was up to 100MB / s.

    Added after 3 [minutes]:

    For example, I want to watch a movie on my mobile phone. So I go to totalcommandet, go to the LAN folder there, I have a profile created to connect. The list of CDE shares appears to me and I continue to search. I click play in the foreground and the movie is playing :)

    But that's after WiFi.
  • #15 17246292
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Or a faster router would work? The situation is that where I would like to put a server for my pc, there is literally a wall, but for laptops, for example, it's only wifi and a movie on tv, it would also be nice to see e.g.
    And when it comes to this Windows server, if I already have a legal one, it is better to go to it or, like you, to win 10, because I must admit that I really want to make it a www and have access to it online (I will soon have optical fiber so it will not be bad and I also mean more insight than uploading something there, although on the road it would also be useful).
  • #16 17246301
    funak
    Level 27  
    This WS will be better.
    I have WS2016 at work and I praise it. It walks steadily. Everything is "at hand" and you can easily install new services. Also most WS.
  • #17 17246404
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Thank you very much for your help, you really helped me a lot :D
    My last question only about this card, the one you gave earlier in the link will be good? Did you give it as an example
  • #18 17246434
    funak
    Level 27  
    Yes, it will be good. It is true that there is a fan, it is not on my card.

    You configure the card from a web browser - very convenient or at system startup, so it is worth connecting it to the local network. There is an RJ45 socket on the side.

    If you enter ARC1280ML on ebay.com, you will find other suggestions. These cards were available in 12-port, 16-port and 24-port versions.

    For such a card, you also need a SATA cable, for example:
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-4i-SAS-SFF-8087...-to-4-SATA-7-Pin-Splitter-Adapter-Cable-0-5M/ 162990289274? Epid = 18003532195 & hash = item25f2fa717a: g: C0wAAOSwL3JayF2r

    But that's where the full selection of these cables is. One cable supports 4 drives.
  • #19 17246437
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    So every 16 ports are x4 drives more? This is a total of 64 drives can I connect?

    And any other models you might recommend, up to PLN 300, if in fact it is still x4, I think that 8 ports would even be enough.
  • #20 17246454
    funak
    Level 27  
    For me it looks like this:
    A motherboard with a maximum number of SATA ports for building a home server
    A motherboard with a maximum number of SATA ports for building a home server

    Note the temperature of the chipset in the RAID controller, 68 degrees. This is, of course, his normal temperature. At the very beginning I was worried about it, now after 4 years I don't care at all.
  • #21 17246470
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Oki thanks a lot :D I will see what disks I will get and in case of problems I will ask.
  • #22 17246471
    funak
    Level 27  
    Not 64 ports. The card has quadruple slots on the board.
  • #23 17246484
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    that is, one disk will take 4 ports?
  • #24 17246786
    funak
    Level 27  
    For example, the 16 port card has 4 SAS slots.

    Each SAS slot is capable of supporting 4 SATA disks, so since there are 4 SAS slots on the board, the entire card will support 16 SATA disks in total.
  • #25 17247037
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    so that's how oki understand.

    Do you recommend a website where it is somehow fun to explain how to configure it all? Because I didn't find anything cool at WS 2016
  • #26 17248342
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    Hello,

    I'll add something from myself.
    If it's supposed to be us and possibly some torrent, then loading i5 or anything from desktops is a bit too much.

    For about PLN 800, you can get a new supermicro a2sdi-2c-hln4f board (four 1Gb / s ports, 8 SATA drives, the board takes ~ 10W).

    You can build a nice little US home, charging pennies for electricity, and even this. you put the router on it in VM, proxmox flashes as it should.
    In addition, the board has a built-in 12V power supply, so for example with 4 laptop drives it flies from the 12V 3A power supply. The set includes a mini sas to 4 sata cable.

    Loading in desktop processes on the NAS, where nothing else will work, is throwing the cash into the current.

    I have us with 11 disks on Asrock c2550d4i, 16GB RAM, the disks are mainly WD Red, the network cable is Intel x520-DA1 connected with a DAC cable in a mikrotik switch with two 10GB / s ports, and then copper for my Macbook also on 10G. Calmly, this CPU gets 750MB / s aside, plus kodi and transmission torrent. If I turned on Jumbo Frames, it would probably close 10G.

    Overall server soc Intel are great for little nasy.
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  • #27 17249124
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Okay, this proposal is very nice, but in my current situation I do not have the money for an album for PLN 800 + the rest. It is supposed to serve me, of course, etc., but mainly I wanted to learn how to do it and make it work and for the least money. Actually, low power consumption is great, but I would have to put a lot of money into it and when I start, I would prefer something not so much worse, but cheaper. So far, for me it is more difficult for me how to do it from the software side than how to put it together.
  • #28 17249593
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    Until recently, the cheapest product was the HP microserver Gen 8, it was available for less than PLN 900 and it had everything. We bought it in bulk, there was a wall in the company, friends bought it for home, I bought one myself as a backup via the main NASA rsync.

    Cheaper, it comes out differently.

    You can take a historic atom like Intel D945GSEJT, plus a PCI controller for PLN 40 on a silicon image chip. Put nas4free on it and you're done.
    Such NAS rubbish, I also put together one in the company, it worked for 4 years ^^ (I was refused a new one, I pissed off and put together NAS rubbish, it was necessary when it fell, they bought a professional server).
    Such a junk Atom N270 will easily pull out 1Gb / s and will not even ignite it.

    Instead, you can go crazy with old procks like celerons on LGA1155, or pentiums, even some Linux VM, it will fall off a bit.
    Worse with hardware controllers, despite their coolness, they are often products with poor support in linux, and even worse in freebsd.
    Sometimes you have to flash the chip for it to work and it doesn't always work properly.
    It's good to understand what you are buying.

    On windows it is easier, when the motherboard accepts it, rather windows will handle it as it is supported, but at the cost of a greater demand for server power. Well, there is the issue of legality, or there is an option for Windows Core and a VM on it for various tasks, including as a server (I ignore how it is terribly handled), it is probably for free and I do not know if it will fire directory sharing, but I think so.
    A better tier alternative is Proxmox, you will make samba and VM.

    It's nice if the motherboard and CPU support ECC RAM, it makes it possible to use ZFS and brtfs with sense, you can do without it, but it's more for science. Because there isn't one of the foundations for these file systems.
    The bonus is that the ECC DDR3 RAM is relatively cheap (brutally cheap), so when there is space, you can load it all the way.

    What would I personally recommend, a CPU with ECC, supporting UEFI, preferably with a passtrough controller (i.e. disks seen in a system without RAID), as it will support SAS disks, is an additional plus, because those used are quite cheap, at the same time they are much more durable .

    For learning and starting, it is just right, then if you want to transcode a video or VM, you can recharge what will not do for you. You will understand the construction and it will be ok.
    Personally, I think that it is the most profitable to buy a Microserver G8 / G10, or this atom, it will last a long time, it will fly over the VM and support current technologies.
    But when there is no money, it's difficult.

    As for savings, I recommend ebay and china, for example I bought an intel x520-da1 with holograms and papers, for about PLN 250, it is already working for a long time, and for the same in Poland I would have to pay a thousand more.

    The system is nas4free (on old age), freenas (for new server devices), proxmox as the purpose of virtualization, linux (whoever you prefer, because everything will be done on server matters), I prefer to keep windows in the VM, but one core as I also use the host VM, because the platform doesn't support Linux very well, and there is a herd of linux on it.
  • #29 17249726
    Infinity0312
    Level 6  
    Okay, all this sounds very nice and I will start looking for it, maybe I will get something at a good price, but if I have, for example, an Athlon II processor or something similar from an Intel 8 GB RAM motherboard and about 6 disks, I am able to do something like that ?
    As for windows server 2016, I have fully legal.
  • #30 17250625
    VaM VampirE
    Level 22  
    Why not, it's good for learning.
    In windows you have to create software RAID arrays, then you can do a NAS.

    Put the system on one disks, the other 5 on RAID with data, make a system backup when you set everything up and it will be.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around finding a motherboard with a high number of SATA ports for building a home server. The user initially considers the Asus M5A78L LE with 6 ports and the ASRock FM2A85X-ITX with 8 ports. Suggestions include using a PCIe SATA controller card, specifically the ARC1280ML RAID controller, which offers 16 ports and advanced features like disk monitoring and email alerts. Users discuss the feasibility of using older components, such as an Intel Atom or Celeron processor, and the importance of RAID configurations for data redundancy. The conversation also touches on network setup for file sharing and the potential use of Windows Server for managing the server environment.
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