Whether to use sodium polyphosphate washing machine / dishwasher filters

so the pebbles inside will almost disappear, you have to buy new ones?

So.

But it turns out it would have to be a lot of these filters one after the other to dissolve. Because the consumption per volume of water given here is not small at all.

Can polyphosphate be used to soften water for a shower? And for hot water in general? Or before the furnace, it would not become limescale?

Before drinking, I would use a reverse osmosis filter.
I think PLN 300 on the Allegro website.

Yes, it's better than not using anything. And, of course, in front of the stove, because limescale is deposited on the heating surfaces. http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamie%C5%84_kot%C5%82owy
Water from "osmosis" is not suitable for drinking, it is practically devoid of mineral salts, which may lead to demineralisation of the body and problems. Besides, the real reverse osmosis is at the price level of the softener I wrote about earlier, and the efficiency is dooooooo lower.

This was referring to polyphosphate? Ie. can you give polyphosphate in front of the stove? And won't it be unhealthy to wash yourself?

Because it is cold to drink anyway. I guess this drinking polyphosphate wouldn't really be?

TPF (polyphosphate, and more precisely tripolyphosphate) does not cause allergic reactions, but the better the washing water - the cleaner the better. For drinking, I strongly advise, I would rather drink water with stone than with polyphosphates.

Hmm ... your discussion is interesting, I will add something from myself - I bought such a filter about a year ago + ~ 0.5kg tpf. JBL's test strips showed no difference (water overflow through the filter (i.e. a simulation of water intake through the washing machine) and test) compared to the solution without the filter. Only after more or less a day or at least a few hours of water standing (a small amount) in the tripolyphosphate crystals something shifted (but there was no revelation either). Currently, all the "contraband" is lying in a corner and probably waiting for better times.
Anyway, I remember that I once counted that this business with TPF would work properly only if it reduced the hardness to the "soft" water forks. It probably is no different now.


Then I did tests for a solution of the powder in water (the concentration - what is more or less in a washing machine - with doses for hard water). What came out - well, that the water was then sufficiently softened, and from what I remember, even at the lower concentrations of the powder, it was within the limits of the soft water.
This powder was Polish Ariel, but it seems to me that every top powder (and therefore also Persil) should be similar in this field. The low-end is going to be in trouble.

Kranówka - ~ 19-20GH / ~ 20KH

sapper44 wrote:

What kind of resin can you regenerate with hydrochloric acid?
You can degenerate it

At this moment of stupidity you write.

serwal wrote:

To drink, firmly down advise, I would rather drink water with stone than with polyphosphates.

* I advise against ;)

airbites wrote:

You just have to watch out for the dealers who sell these filters, for example, the photo you put in (these two washing machine filters) are not original because there is no foam there, which indicates whether it is worn.

Eh ... this foam is mainly used so that the smallest tripolyphosphate crystals do not "escape" from the filter, but fully dissolve. 2 the second thing - these crystals are often slightly polluted, so this sponge also performs a filtering function for "garbage", which will be washed out of the crystals with the elapse of time. And I would say that this is the end of the advantages of this "originality" . You have full use of the filter when you run out of these "beautiful pebbles". btw: some of the filters have such a great design that it is impossible to sprinkle TPF back and the people again spend money on the housing + content; and they are convinced that everything is fine heh.

So the button gives these filters. But I will try anyway. What the hell! They sure won't make things worse.

Reading the topic, I found information from the German waterworks. Well, some of them add polyphosphates or orthophosphates to the water in water treatment plants - but in very small amounts. It was about 1.5 mg / liter. Of course, there was no measurable softening of the water, but apparently much less scale was deposited - as it formed some other smaller structures.

It looks a bit magical - like some magnetizers or placebos - but maybe there is something to it. After all, it was from major large institutions.

pgoral wrote:

So the button gives these filters. But I will try anyway. What the hell! They sure won't make things worse.

I do not defend to try Anyway - it is not that expensive again.
However, I have personally lost faith in their effectiveness and I am probably immune to the propaganda regarding their use. Just like "Calgon" and other products of this type, which in addition to softening the water, slowly destroying clothes (as long as they contain soda in addition to TFP, but Calgon has it in its composition).

Now I have another idea. I know that my washing machine takes a minimum of (read - with a completely empty drum) ~ 4.5 l - 6.5 of water (depending on the program - most probably on synthetics), with a 50% load of about 10l, and a full load ~ 15-17l. It also does not drain the water at the start of each program - at most it will select it - a big plus .


So ... I plan to do a column filter in the near future. I will buy a hydrogen cation exchanger, a strong basic anion exchanger + activated carbon.
The aim of the whole is to obtain cheap demineralized water - mainly for watering plants sensitive to water hardness.

The efficiency of such filtration media to the loss of its properties, I see, depends on the hardness of the softened water, but usually 1l of a given medium is enough to filter several hundred liters of water. Second thing - there are quite easily available regenerators - diluted HCl solution (2-3%) - in the case of cation exchanger regeneration (there are also proprietary products for their regeneration, so the problem of dilution will disappear), NaOH solution (~ 3%) for anion exchanger regeneration I think that I will use caustic soda (~ 99% NaOH), which is easy to get into the "toilet polisher" or to clear pipes. :)

What does this have to do with the washing problem? In my house (2 people), the washing machine is probably turned on on average once every one and a half to two weeks. We practically do not use prewash, only the stain removal function, so in most cases the program starts with the main wash.
So it will be easy to add at least 5l of demineralized water (GH & KH

serwal wrote:

1 ° n = 10.00 mg CaO in 1 liter of water and 1 ° n = 17.86 mg CaCO3 in 1 liter of water

So you have 160 - 190 mg CaO per liter of water (medium hard water http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twardość_wody).
The washing machine heats some 5 liters, i.e. 5 x 0.19 g = 0.95 g CaO.
1 g of polyphosphate binds about 0.15 g of CaO, i.e. 0.95 / 0.15 g is needed for one wash = 6.33 g of polyphosphate
Theoretically not much. But this is all you need only when heating water.
How much polyphosphate does it contain?

If you can afford it, buy something like this http://darowoda.bazarek.pl/opis/171154/zmiekczacz-clackei10.html but the water is not suitable for drinking, but for washing and washing it is great.

Where did you get the data for this calculation? So if the washing machine uses 50L of water for one wash, it should rinse about 60 g of polyphosphate from the filter?