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Ground-Phase Voltage 230V in Server Room: Residual Current Device & Electrician Advice

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  • #1 7310920
    lkosc_st
    Level 10  
    Hello, I am building server rooms in the company, I was concerned that when the meter touches the grounding pin and the phase, there is a voltage of about 230V, the same if I touch the computer housing and the phase.

    There is a residual current device installed in the electrical network, which, if I understand the principle of operation, should work.

    Is this a cause for alarm? and to call a licensed electrician? Because our unlicensed people don't want to play it and / or have no idea about it.
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  • #2 7310944
    Loker
    Level 39  
    N and PE are theoretically at the same potential so a voltage of approx. 230V between phase and any earthed element is perfectly correct unless you have power isolation which I doubt.
    The differential current protection will work if the difference in currents in the L and N lines is greater than a certain value (probably 15mA, but I'm not sure), a much smaller current flows through the voltmeter, so the protection will not work.

    "Because our unlicensed people do not want to play it and / or have no idea about it" - if they have no idea about something so basic, they are not electricians.
  • #3 7310946
    bestler
    Admin of DIY, Automation
    It's probably normal. The meter has too little leakage to throw out the differential. But if you use a light bulb instead of a meter, the differential must blow out.
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  • #4 7310948
    darek_wp
    Level 28  
    This is how it should be and the meter itself cannot trip the RCD protection. The protection is activated only after the expiry of the current value greater than that marked on the protection (std 30mA).
  • #5 7310952
    niutat
    Level 36  
    Hello, the differential has a specific minimum tripping current, the meter is not enough to work.
    Uups late and can't delete the post anymore :)
  • #6 7310954
    ajpier
    Level 36  
    I would sound the alarm as if nothing showed between the pin and the phase.
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  • #7 7310959
    kris669
    Level 20  
    They don't actually have any idea about it! The transformer's neutran point in TN installations is grounded, so the ground and this point, as well as the outgoing neutral wire from it, are at potential "0" - the same. There should be approx. 230 V between each phase conductor and the neutral or ground conductor (the exact value depends on many factors). The RCD will trip when a certain current flows, which may trip it. Such a current will not flow through the voltmeter (too high internal resistance). RCD release should cause, for example, inclusion of a light bulb / resistor in the phase-to-earth circuit.
  • #8 7310971
    domal7
    Level 12  
    hehe, this is how the "pin" should be connected to the PE conductor or it is zeroed, and therefore it is a different potential, so the meter reading must be different if there was a phase on the pin, but there is also a differential if there was something wrong in the RCD installation To make it break, you can make sure that there is no dangerous voltage on the "pins", but it is unnecessary.
  • #9 7310986
    lkosc_st
    Level 10  
    Only with the earthing most likely ends with the wires in the switching station ... because no one has found the earthing of the building ...

    What to connect to the ground and phase to make the differential work (30mA)
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  • #10 7311007
    kris669
    Level 20  
    You can connect a 7.5 k? resistor of power from 2 W up (2 W is enough for such a short load).
  • #11 7311024
    domal7
    Level 12  
    take a makeshift bulb with a socket one wire plug the second wire to L to PE and the differential must work, or connect a receiver to this circuit and short-circuit with some N PE wire and it will also work
  • #12 7312429
    kondensator
    Level 36  
    lkosc_st wrote:
    Hello, builds server rooms in the company, I was concerned about the fact that when the meter is touched to the grounding pin and to the phase, there is a voltage of about 230V, the same if I touch the computer housing and the phase. In the electricity network residual current protection is installed which, if I understand the principle of operation, should work. Is this a cause for alarm? and to call a licensed electrician? Because our unlicensed people do not want to play it and / or they have no idea about it .
    The reason is ... at least to read:
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1094472.html
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1036714.html
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1397005.html
    https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1384513.html
    http://forumsep.pl/viewtopic.php?t=5922
    http://forumsep.pl/viewtopic.php?t=2149 and more.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the presence of approximately 230V between the grounding pin and phase in a server room, raising concerns about electrical safety and the functionality of the installed residual current device (RCD). Participants clarify that such voltage readings are normal in a properly grounded system, where the neutral and ground are at the same potential. The RCD will only trip if there is a significant current difference, which a standard voltmeter cannot induce due to its high internal resistance. Suggestions include using a light bulb or resistor to test the RCD's functionality. The importance of consulting a licensed electrician is emphasized, especially given the lack of knowledge among unlicensed personnel regarding basic electrical principles.
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