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The test tube is lit at "zero" - what does that mean?

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  • #31 7643120
    slawekx
    Level 29  
    zubel wrote:
    Currently, in multi-family buildings, some of the installations are run in the floor. The floor is reinforced with a steel wire mesh and under certain conditions the floor with respect to N is simply "live" and the neon lamp will show it. It will also light up on the pin in the socket. Sometimes the neon light applied to the wall also lights up and this does not indicate a faulty installation.


    Added after 26 [seconds]:

    zubel wrote:
    After all, I wrote clearly. If the floor or wall are live, the neon lamp will shine on N or PE. No matter which end of the neon you touch to the "phase"


    Added after 2 [minutes]:

    Explain to me again and I will be grateful where the tension on the floor is from and what conditions are to be met for the floor and wall to be live with impunity.

    Added after 13 [minutes]:

    pitnit wrote:
    The neon lamp will glow on the PE conductor if there is no continuity in the front. (Not connected) There is something like capacitive reactance and therefore a potential difference appears on the PE conductor. You can do a little experiment even with a 3-wire cable, when we connect L and N and we do not connect PE, touching the end of the PE wire, the test tube will glow.


    you are suggesting that the author of the question has a problem with installing TN-S - and in the meantime he did not even write whether his sockets are equipped with a pin.
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  • #32 7643393
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #33 7643591
    slawekx
    Level 29  
    Because no one has given a solution and the neon lamp is lit.
  • #34 7644027
    jekab
    Level 23  
    I am writing from what lights, this information may be useful. I measured it at work because I have some time, luckily, only a small failure. Neon tube with all DC resistor, it fires you can see 69V 12uA .230V 170uA shines nicely.
    Mine of course
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  • #35 7936297
    kondensator
    Level 36  
    wahoo wrote:
    Hello. I have been following the topic for some time but I have not found a specific solution in it. I made the installations. The test tube is still lit. Nothing is happening to the installation or to the devices. Maybe this information will help someone.
    Col. Kkas12 has a lot of experience and a lot of right:
    kkas12 wrote:
    In order to receive a fairly precise answer, a precise question should be asked. We do not know if the installation has a PEN conductor or PE and N conductors?
    On the other hand, the first advice given should recommend checking the SWZ condition in bad nests. Such measurement will help direct the search. You should also take into account the possibility of damaging the insulation of wires in the installation laid on the lower floor. In this case, tension may remain on the ground.
    We do not know if this is an installation from the "TN-" family or TT - in the latter case, the voltage of e.g. several dozen V on the N conductor (against ground, PE) will not be very strange: http://forumsep.pl/viewtopic.php?p=52798#52798 (links there and for the Electrode)
    (An IT system in a residential house (and not in Norway) should not be present and an IT system should not have an N wire in most cases - but strange things do happen ...)
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  • #36 7936301
    zdzisiek1979
    Level 39  
    Maybe the circuit on which you measure has a device connected that works, closes the circuit and since you add the neon lamp to zero and close the circuit with your finger, the neon lamp starts to glow because it just gets power. More than once I have caught it myself. In addition, there may be poor contacts on the N bus and there are additional resistances and the effect that we are surprised what is.

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    Once I was playing with lamps in my office and I couldn't help but admire what the neon lamp showed.
  • #37 17123372
    wodzu_1
    Level 25  
    I accidentally peeked in
    and I can not get over the theoretical arguments that can appear about the neon lamp, i.e. the voltage indicator, the so-called screwdriver.
    The basis of the measurement is bipolar measurement and not necessarily a multimeter, which, having a high internal resistance, will often behave like the aforementioned neon lamp (not to be confused with a well-known cabaret). The basic principle of how reliable a measurement can be, when we use the aforementioned voltage indicator with a neon lamp or a multimeter for about PLN 20 as a measuring tool.
    Each measurement has a reference point, which is L to N, L to PE, N to PE.

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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the issue of a test tube (neon lamp) glowing on the neutral wire in a household electrical installation. Users suggest that this phenomenon may indicate a weak neutral connection or a fault in the installation, potentially due to loose connections or improper grounding. It is emphasized that a glowing neon lamp is not normal and could signify dangerous voltage levels. Recommendations include checking all connections, using proper measuring tools like multimeters, and consulting a qualified electrician for diagnosis. The conversation also touches on the behavior of neon lamps in relation to capacitive coupling and the importance of understanding electrical theory for accurate measurements.
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