Inscription 40W MAX: Can I Use 42W Osram Halogen Bulbs as 60W in 3-Bulb Ceiling Lamp?

Good day.

I don't know much about electricity and lighting, but I have the following problem.
I put a new lamp on the ceiling. There are 3 incandescent bulbs installed in it,
40W each. Unfortunately, the lamp is a bit too dim.
I would like to use more powerful bulbs, but it says "40W MAX".

And now the questions:

1. If I change the 40W incandescent bulbs to Osram halogen bulbs that draw 42W,
but glowing as 60W, can I install such a halogen bulb?

2. Do these 2W more (i.e. a total of 6W on the entire lamp) make a difference?

3. Can I not install 42W halogen bulbs at all, because they shine as 60W?

I am asking for help, because I do not know if I should change the lamp to another ...

Hello, in this case it is more about the temperature of the bulbs than the power, you have to be careful not to melt the sockets.

I suggest replacing the lamp, then you can put on stronger bulbs without fear and nothing will melt or deform.

So I can replace a 40W incandescent bulb with a 42W halogen bulb?

This is something I mean only on e14:
I have removed the link to the auction. Regulations, point 10.11 [Łukasz]

These 6W won't make a difference any more?

There was a thread recently on the forum ...

People replied that I could change to a halogen lamp of the same wattage.

IT'S NOT TRUE!!!
This way you can melt the lamp socket and even cause a fire!

I have been to several stores and found out that it cannot be replaced after all.
Most people (including salespeople) say it's okay to change
an incandescent bulb to a halogen lamp of the same wattage. One seller argued
however, stubbornly that you can't. I found it strange because the guy was clearly sitting
in lighting for a good few years, he traveled to fairs, etc. His argument was that
that a halogen lamp gets hotter than an incandescent lamp of the same power.

I researched a lot and in fact:

http://archiwum.polityka.pl/art/wszystko-jasne,425527.html

"A halogen lamp is an improved version of a traditional incandescent lamp (...) it gets hot
during lighting more than in traditional lighting, it is therefore used for its production
more expensive quartz glass. "

Hence the replacement of an ordinary 40W incandescent bulb with a halogen bulb
with a power of 42W causes more heat emission that can melt the lamp socket
or even cause a fire in the apartment.

It is worth keeping this in mind, and even sticking the thread so that it is clearly visible ...

Greetings.

I pasted the post. [retrofood]

colleague Stefan 55 is 100% right halogen bulbs have a higher efficiency than ordinary ones and heat up more, replace your friend with an energy-saving bulb, e.g. a 21W osram will glow like 100W and will not heat up. greetings.

Halogen bulbs, even those with the same wattage as regular ones, emit much more heat. As a result, the lampholders are made of porcelain and the lamps and lampshades are made of much more durable materials for heat.

Quote:

halogen bulbs have a higher efficiency than ordinary ones and they heat up more,

it is contradictory to each other unless the halogen bulb is working as a heater.

Hello colleagues
The undisputed point is that "Halogen lamps with the same wattage as ordinary halogen lamps give off much more heat".
But it is puzzling that lighting manufacturers are releasing halogen and incandescent lamps on the same cap, for example on the E27. So for an ordinary bread eater it is clear that: if a 50W halogen bulb can be screwed into a place where there was another 50 W (e.g. incandescent), it means that it can be used.
An example is this halogen bulb with a description downloaded from the Internet:

Philips PAR20 HalogenA E27

A halogen reflector lamp with a diameter of 63 mm for mains voltage. Halogen burner housed in a parabolic, aluminum-coated pressed glass (PAR) reflector. Constant illuminance throughout the entire period of use. High luminous efficiency. Durability 2.5 times longer than that of an ordinary incandescent lamp. Projector version with faceted front glass which prevents glare and ensures uniform distribution of luminous flux. Transparent front plate of the burner protects against contact and the accumulation of dust and moisture. Bright, sparkling halogen light. Convenient halogen solution that can be used in mounted luminaires. Application: for creating lighting accents and for lighting shop windows, for local lighting and for creating lighting accents in homes. Light fixtures: It can be installed in any lighting fixture, for which R60 or R63 incandescent lamps are used !!! , In external lighting systems, the lamp should be protected against direct contact with water, The luminaire must ensure a waterproof connection between the reflector and the luminaire, Power supply: 230 V, socket: E27, power: 50 W, color temperature 2500K, average life: 2000 h, beam angle: 10.

This is what the R63 E27 60W bulb looks like

Maybe the answer can be found in the link provided by Stefan55 that
,, In a year, in September 2010, 75 W bulbs will be phased out, and in autumn 2011, 60 W bulbs will be phased out. At the end of September 2012, the weakest ones - with a power of 15, 25 and 40 W. the day when the brilliant invention of Thomas Edison from 130 years ago goes to the museum of technology in Europe,
And yet we will have to screw something into our old frames. Regards

Added after 2 [hours] 36 [minutes]:

I have a proposal for stefan55, maybe this bulb will meet the expectations?
Description and photo:
HALOGEN PHILIPS HALOGENA CG35 E14 40 W

Mains voltage double bulb halogen. Linear two-fold filament with electrical protection. Built-in overvoltage fuse. The burner is axially placed in a single-ended ordinary glass bulb filled with a mixture of inert gases. Interchangeable with standard incandescent lamps, corresponds to the dimensions of standard incandescent lamps. Spherical bubble shape. It can replace incandescent lamps of the same power . Cap temperature the same as for incandescent lamps . Bright white halogen light. Constant level of illuminance throughout the entire period of use. Application: In homes, offices, shops, hotels, restaurants, bars and museums. Luminaires: in indoor applications in open luminaires, in outdoor applications it is necessary to use front windshields and water and moisture resistant luminaires. Power supply: 230 V, socket: E14, power: 40 W, color temperature 2900K, average life: 2000 h, type of bulb: transparent.

Added after 19 [minutes]:

Halogen Osram ES Classic P 64543 P ES 42 W 230V E14 FS1

Halogen Classic P bulbs are an energy-saving alternative to traditional bulbs. Replacing light bulbs does not require any additional changes in the housing. 100% interchangeable. The use of Halogen ES Classic P bulbs will allow you to save up to 30% of electricity and significantly reduce operating costs. An additional advantage of Halogen ES Classic P bulbs is their two times longer life than traditional bulbs. Lifetime 2000h. E14 cap.

None of the light bulbs presented above is an alternative for Stefan's colleague55. The halogen bulb has a high operating temperature, while the second of the bulbs, e.g. R63 presented below, is not suitable for luminaires with a closed shade, it is used for regulated, e.g. desk lamps with an open shade, because the heat from this bulb is directed forward, the best solution for colleague Stefan55 will be a compact fluorescent lamp E27 21W or other similar type.

Hello, and it's interesting, how does your friend know what lamp is Stefan55? after all, he did not mention that in a closed lampshade ????

until the end, my colleague Stefan55 did not specify what type of lighting fixture it was, when asking a question he should specify the type of lighting fixture more precisely, but this does not change the fact that many people ask similar questions when buying light bulbs or lighting fixtures, I encounter similar cases on a daily basis because I am also a seller in electrical shop.

So a colleague as a seller claims that the Polish company is misleading the customer by writing that the Philips 40W E27 230V NR63 Halogen bulbs can be a replacement for a standard reflector lamp, or in the second incandescent attachment?

my friend Philips writes the truth about these bulbs, that is, this bulb is used in open luminaires, directed light, i.e. spot light, e.g.

Hello
I am glad that my colleague said it himself, i.e. you can replace it from incandescent with halogen. In the discussion, no one mentioned closed luminaires. Nobody knows what lamp Stefan55 has, so nobody can really advise him on what to use.

Is it possible to use a halogen bulb with a higher power for such a lamp?

http://www.pieknelampy.pl/motyl-bialy-p-4533.html

jean70 wrote:

Is it possible to use a halogen bulb with a higher power for such a lamp?

Can not. Incandescent lamps above 40W and halogen lamps generate much more heat than a 40W incandescent lamp.

who do such llamas for, after all, 40 gives very little light!? ... it's a pity!
and thanks for the reply!

retrofood wrote:

Can not. Incandescent lamps above 40W and halogen lamps generate much more heat than a 40W incandescent lamp.

Hello!
I am wondering, since two light bulbs, a regular one and a halogen one, have the same power, they will consume and give off the same energy at the same time, and the halogen is supposedly more efficient, so it should give more of this energy as useful light. In turn, the lamp manufacturer specifies max. power of the light source, not its type or temperature, so how is it with these halogens?
greetings

zioolass wrote:

retrofood wrote:

Can not. Incandescent lamps above 40W and halogen lamps generate much more heat than a 40W incandescent lamp.

Hello!
I am wondering, since two light bulbs, a regular one and a halogen one, have the same power, they will consume and give off the same energy at the same time, while the halogen is supposedly more efficient, so it should give more of this energy as useful light. In turn, the lamp manufacturer specifies max. power of the light source, not its type or temperature, so how is it with these halogens?
greetings

This is related to the construction, and there are two different phenomena taking place here that should not be mixed up. Ordinary light bulbs have different fillings (I don't know about now, but the low-power ones used to be vacuum bulbs), so their glass bulbs heat up differently. In addition, the size of the bulbs is similar, so it is obvious that the surface of the lower power heats up to a lower temperature.
However, the structure of halogens is different. First of all, the filament "sputtering" must take place inside, so the filling is completely different than ordinary incandescent bulbs, and the filament has a much higher temperature, and besides, halogens have reflectors that direct the heat, not always favorable for the luminaire.

Even two conventional bulbs of the same power but from other manufacturers or from a different bulb have a very different bulb temperature.
I found out myself on the wall lamp. As long as I had access to Polish candle bulbs, they were lit for about a year and nothing overheated. When I changed to Osrama also candle or "balls", after a few minutes you could feel the material overheating.
It was 6 years ago, so I don't remember what "Osrams" were. Compact fluorescent lamps work in it now.

In this case, the luminaire manufacturer should probably state that a halogen source is not approved for use, if the luminaire is not suitable for one. The inscription "40 W max" strongly suggests that the only limitation is the power of the source. Otherwise, I would like to follow the topic, because looking at halogen lamps, it seems to me that the source here is a small element made of glass, with a filament, and all additives that make the halogen similar to an ordinary light bulb, with a cap, reflectors sprayed inside, etc., are already the luminaire.

greetings

Gentlemen,

Don't you have the impression that all these "40W max" markings on the frames are the activities of the manufacturers' lobby? On the one hand, a ban on the sale of traditional light bulbs in the EU, and on the other, a simple sticker that will convince many that if you want to have a light that serves something, you need to buy a fluorescent lamp, there is no other option.

Try to buy any lamp now - they are all labeled "40W max", others just don't sell. This is what I do by buying lamps for all rooms in a newly renovated apartment.

I screwed the traditional 75W into the new "40W max" socket in the bathroom. The fluorescent lamp just did not work, because before it lit up I had already left the bathroom many times. Traditional 40W did not illuminate the room sufficiently. 75W works fine, I do not feel the smell of a burnt frame.

He digs through the topic, because I have the impression that in most cases people are just kept in a tight line with the signs "40W max". The above discussion about the temperatures of halogen and traditional light bulbs somehow confirms my assumptions. After all, 40W heats up to different temperatures in various technologies.

Hello,
In order not to clutter the forum, I attach to the topic:
I bought such lamps http://www.sigma-lampy.com.pl/oferta/malta.jpg . I have the inscription MAX on the frames. 60W. What power halogen bulbs (E27, e.g. Osram Eco Classic P) can I put in them?

In the past there were bulb holders with ceramic elements, the material used today is not fully valuable.
watts than stated by the manufacturer, the material in the frames is degraded.
After some time, it gets stuck and you have to replace the holder with a new one, because it's difficult
unscrew the bulb. The manufacturer has peace of mind, because he has set the upper limit, i.e. 40W - for a given lampholder. Just do not buy it.
You have to wait for LED "bulbs" ...

@KaW
I do not really understand your argument in the context of my question: I have MAX.60W on the fitting (I understand that this applies to an ordinary light bulb). I am interested in what max halogen E27 (it looks like a regular bulb) I can put into such a luminaire (18W, 28W, 42W?). Apparently, halogens heat up more, so I assume that it must be weaker than a traditional bulb.

Since you have MAX.60W written, you can screw a maximum of 60W. I don't know what my friend doesn't understand here. Halogens do not get hotter than any other light bulb. They have a higher efficiency, so they heat up LESS than a traditional light bulb.

Well, I do not understand that the entire thread is based on the statement that the halogen heats up more. So on what basis does the friend now assume that he is heating up the same?

Hello colleagues

The issue of the heat emitted by the halogen and the light bulb arouses many emotions and misunderstandings.
I belong to this camp, just like my colleagues, for example piterus99 or stomat, who think that the halogen warms up a bit less. Of course, with similar heat dissipation conditions. It is related to the higher efficiency of the halogen bulb than the ordinary one.

I have a halogen bulb at home in one room, exactly this one:
OSRAM HALOGEN CLASSIC 70W E27 bulb Sample link
Outwardly, it resembles an ordinary light bulb - it has a built-in halogen source inside.
I have never measured its temperature (on the surface of the bulb) - organoleptically (by touching the hand or trying to twist it), this 70W halogen is cooler than a 60W incandescent bulb, and shines brighter than a regular 75W. In the link I quoted, it even says that it corresponds to a 100W bulb, but in my opinion it does not shine like a hundred. Somehow it didn't occur to me to measure with a luxmeter (because I don't take it home).

This Halogen bulb (Osram Classic ECO) also has a downside. After it is turned off, when it cools down, it makes a soft noise for a few minutes, as if water was dripping. And since it is shining in my bedroom - I fell for the first time and started to listen to whether it was leaking from the radiator or somewhere else. ;-)

kisses
- GIFT-



PS I have run out of name day sweets - so I don't give it anymore.

aguirre wrote:

Well, I do not understand that the entire thread is based on the statement that the halogen heats up more. So on what basis does the friend now assume that he is heating up the same?

Unfortunately, many people have succumbed to stereotypes. The stereotype comes from the fact that a traditional 100W bulb has a diameter of about 8 cm, a halogen of the same power has a diameter of 1.5 cm, so it is clear that this halogen will heat up to a higher temperature. Although the amount of heat released in halogen is smaller (because it has a higher efficiency). If this halogen is closed in a "traditional" bulb - it will heat up to a lower temperature. How can a higher efficiency source heat up more? How?