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Pulsation ω in AC: Why is 2π × 50 Hz = 314 s⁻¹ and not 314 Hz? Rad/s vs Hz explained

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  • #1 7738135
    andrzej.rap
    Level 1  
    Welcome and greet to you. I'm a mechanic. I have a problem. Well, in my book by F. Przeździecki "Elektrotechnika i Elektronika" I read:

    ..... "For a current with an industrial frequency of 50 Hz, the pulsation is:

    2 * pi * 50 = 314 s-1 (s to the -1 power). So from 50 Hz I have 314 Hz. Or so???

    Shouldn't it be like this: 2 * pi * 50 Hz = 314 rad / s

    Or else I'll ask. This is the problem of the following equality: rad / s = 1 / s. I am asking for a factual answer.
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  • #3 7738236
    krzyjak
    Level 29  
    In books, ? is often referred to as frequency. It is just often more convenient and easier to read. Although it is really angular velocity. So a quantity describing a rotary motion. In electrical engineering, it may be the speed of a voltage vector's movement in a circle. Radian ? 57 ° So a vector with an angular velocity of 314 rad / s makes a full circle revolution (2 o PI) 50 times per second.
  • #4 7738407
    piotr_krak
    Level 25  
    pulsacja (omega) is pulsation and frequency (f) is frequency, so if you have a book where omega is the frequency, you can use it as kindling. There is a connection between the two of omega = 2 * PI * f and we stick to it and do not mislead others.

    correction:
    pulsation - circular frequency.
    In the SI system, the unit of a plane angle is radian.
    2 * PI in radians is full motion (360 degree angle) followed by cyclic repetition. Hence the rad / s.

    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsacja
    http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pr%C4%99dko%C5%9B%C4%87_k%C4%85towa
  • #5 7738727
    stomat
    Level 38  
    piotr_krak wrote:
    pulsation is in radians per second [rad / s] you can also say [1 / s], because pulsation is a determination of vector motion, performing a complete cycle. And the SI unit of a full angle is radian. Hence the rad / s.

    Oh no, it's not like that. rad / s = 1rad / s or (1 / s) * rad
    for 50 Hz ? = 314 rad / s not 314Hz nor 314 1 / s!
    Radian and full angle are two different things!
  • #6 7738890
    jekab
    Level 23  
    Quote:
    correction:
    the pulsation is in radians per second [rad / s] as it determines the motion of the vector. In the SI system, the unit of an angle is radian. Hence the rad / s.

    Don't confuse "?" this is the speed of rotation. Just enough. In this case, "rotation angle / second"
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  • #7 7738919
    piotr_krak
    Level 25  
    jekab wrote:

    Don't confuse "?" this is the speed of rotation. Just enough. In this case, "rotation angle / second"


    omega is omega does not always interpret the same for everyone

    for a mathematician it means the end
    for physics the speed of rotation
    for electrical engineering pulsation

    we are talking about current pulsation, so about electrical engineering, and we try to explain to my colleague where the unit [rad / s] came from and not how it works [1 / s]
  • #8 7738959
    jekab
    Level 23  
    d
    Quote:
    la physics speed of rotation
    for electrical engineering pulsation

    It's the same. How will you explain it like that .. ??
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  • #9 7739426
    krzyjak
    Level 29  
    Of course, from a formal point of view, frequency and pulsation are two different things. But if you take any book on signal theory, you will see that the two quantities are used interchangeably. And no one has to explain it. From the point of view of harmonic signals, pulsation is also a frequency. Pulsation has the same dimension (I'm not talking about the unit) as the frequency. The frequency tells us the number of events per second. This event may be the period of the signal, i.e. the smallest unit of time, after which the signal waveform repeats in an identical manner, but it may also be an event in the form of one complete vector passage through a circle by the angle 2PI. Using the concept of pulsation is more convenient in writing. What looks better sin (?t + ? ;) or sin (2 o ? o f o t + ? ;) ?
  • #10 7739529
    stomat
    Level 38  
    andrzej.rap wrote:
    Or else I'll ask. This is the problem of the following equality: rad / s = 1 / s. I am asking for a factual answer.

    rad / s is not equal to 1 / s
    For 50 Hz, the pulsation is 314 rad / s
  • #11 7739746
    jekab
    Level 23  
    Quote:
    Or else I'll ask. This is the problem of the following equality: rad / s = 1 / s. I am asking for a factual answer.

    There is no such equality because "rad" is a measure of the angle and "1" is a number.
    rad ? 1
    Czy nie powinno być raczej tak: 2*pi*50 Hz = 314 rad/s 

    It should be like this and that means something turned 314 radians in 1 second and it means that it made 50 full turns in 1 second
  • #12 7740261
    Darom
    Electrician specialist
    1Hz = 1 / s = 1 * cycle / s = 2pi * rad / s

    As my colleague, Krzyjak wrote, the pulsation record is convenient for functions describing sinusoidal and periodic waveforms (in the distribution into sinusoidal).

    My colleagues have probably written everything - so I propose to close the topic.

    kisses
    - GIFT-
  • #13 7740997
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #14 7742196
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Half doctorate already done. If someone has something new, please write to PW. I am closing the topic for now.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the concept of pulsation in alternating current, specifically addressing the relationship between frequency and angular velocity. The main question concerns the interpretation of the formula for pulsation, where it is clarified that for a frequency of 50 Hz, the correct calculation yields 314 rad/s, not 314 Hz. Participants emphasize the distinction between pulsation (angular frequency) and frequency, noting that while they are related, they are not interchangeable. The formula ω = 2 * π * f is highlighted, illustrating that pulsation is a measure of angular motion in radians per second, which corresponds to the number of complete cycles per second. The conversation also touches on the practical implications of these concepts in electrical engineering, particularly in relation to sinusoidal waveforms and their representation.
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