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[Solved] Understanding Phase in Alternating Current: Simple Explanation & Its Role in Sinusoidal Waves

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  • #1 18547525
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    Hello.
    I have a question, what is phase in alternating current? (I mean such a simple phase that is presented at the beginning of learning alternating current)
    The term "phase" is portrayed in books and on websites, but nowhere is it explained what it actually is. On some English site I found the statement that "A phase is a given point in time in a sinusoidal wave" and nothing else. Maybe someone will explain to me or confirm whether this statement is true.

    Thank you in advance
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  • #2 18547618
    miroslaw wielki
    Conditionally unlocked
    Alternating current from the English alternating current, AC a characteristic case of periodically alternating current in which the instantaneous values are subject to changes in a repetitive, periodic manner, with a specific frequency, e.g. 50 times per second, our current in Polish sockets.
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  • #4 18547647
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    So it can be said that it is the distance from the initial phase (t = 0)?
  • #5 18552409
    Aleksander_01
    Level 43  
    Phase - has several concepts in electricity.
    The first and most important thing is something a la source. In order for the current to flow from this source, a so-called neutral conductor is needed, now called neutral.

    All over the world, power generators are three-phase, that is, they generate electricity in three separate "sources". These "sources" are out of phase (the latter term) by an angle of 120 °.
    There must be a potential difference for the current to flow. Such a difference is between a given source (given phase) and the neutral wire (in Poland it is 230 V), or between two sources (phases) (in Poland 400 V).

    The concept of phase is very difficult for a beginner to understand, but with time it will become bread and butter.
    You have certainly seen a single-phase plug, i.e. two pins, phase and neutral. Maybe you saw or maybe not the three-phase plug. Currently, it has 5 pins, 3 of them are phases (each is shifted by 120 ° in relation to the other), the fourth is neutral and the fifth is protective.

    You have such a simplified drawing
    Understanding Phase in Alternating Current: Simple Explanation & Its Role in Sinusoidal Waves

    What my colleague SuhaK01 described below is the third phase concept, the so-called initial phase.
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  • #6 18552425
    SuhaK01
    Level 10  
    Trzcinkan wrote:
    So we can say that it is the distance from the initial phase (t = 0)?

    Regarding the concept of phase understood as a phase shift:

    The initial phase is the distance from t = 0.

    For example, when a sine wave "starts" at t = 0, the start phase is zero. However, if we shift this course to the left or right (in relation to the coordinate system), the initial phase will be the distance from the beginning of this shifted course to the coordinate system (i.e. time t = 0). Of course, the phase is given in degrees, and it ranges from 0 ° to 360 °.
    As you have probably seen, the general formula for a sinusoidal voltage waveform is: $$u(ωt) = U_{max}sin(ωt + φ)$$ where ? is your phase which shifts the waveform with respect to the origin of the coordinate system.
  • #7 18554335
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    So from what I understand the phase is shortly called a phase shift? So then in this slide, phase angle = phase shift = phase? Understanding Phase in Alternating Current: Simple Explanation & Its Role in Sinusoidal Waves
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  • #8 18554412
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    "Phase" as a term used by "Mr. Mietek" is a voltage sine wave.
    The second phase is also a voltage sine wave, but shifted by 120 degrees from the first.
    The third one is similar, but shifted from the first by 240 degrees, and from the second by 120 degrees.

    That is why Mr. Mietek has "three phases". Because each one against the neutral wire will shock him, and each one will shock him in relation to a different phase.

    Phase voltage - a variety of "phase" understood more by electricians, it is the effective value of the voltage between the selected phase conductor ("phase") and the neutral conductor or the star point.

    In electricity, a phase shift is not considered to be "phase".
  • #9 18554460
    miroslaw wielki
    Conditionally unlocked
    And so it's less complicated how to say? Instead of a phase
  • #10 18554536
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    But I don't mean any three-phase system, but what is a phase, because I don't know which answer is right anymore
  • #11 18554593
    ewoo
    Level 30  
    Yes, for peasant reason. Phase is what it kicks.
  • #12 18554865
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    Well, explaining to myself, it will be difficult to understand what I have to learn
  • #13 18554889
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    Trzcinkan wrote:
    But I don't mean any three-phase system, but what is a phase

    I don't mean what my friend is about.

    Phase is derived from power. The power supply is, as a rule, three-phase.
    Phase, as I wrote before, is a voltage sine wave. There can be one, there can be three, six, twelve, as many as you like.
    Phase, colloquially, is the supply voltage on one line with respect to the neutral point.
  • #14 18555219
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    Okay, so the phase is a voltage sine wave otherwise, and it can also be a current sine wave because there is current and voltage in the phase shift?
  • #15 18555586
    kozi966
    Moderator of Electricians group
    Trzcinkan wrote:
    and it can also be a sine wave of current because there is intensity and voltage in the phase shift?

    This is either we use simple definitions for understanding or we go "deeper".

    When we speak of "current in phase" or "out of phase" we are already talking about shifts. So the angle between voltage and current.
    Generally speaking, the term "phase current" is used, but it is the current flowing in a conductor in which the "phase" occurs.
  • #16 18555915
    Trzcinkan
    Level 4  
    Oh, the phase is a voltage sine wave and that's enough for me, thanks

Topic summary

Phase in alternating current (AC) refers to a specific point in time within a sinusoidal wave, often described as the distance from the initial phase (t = 0). It is crucial for understanding how AC operates, particularly in three-phase systems where each phase is a voltage sine wave shifted by 120 degrees from the others. The concept of phase can be complex for beginners, but it essentially relates to the voltage or current sine waves and their respective shifts. The phase angle is measured in degrees and indicates the relationship between voltage and current in AC systems.
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