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  • #31 8222603
    elektro155
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    It was that the guest was disturbed by the neighbor's dog, he bought equipment with his friends, they put it to the door, there was a squeak, the dog barked and that's the end
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    elektro155 wrote:
    It was that the guest was disturbed by the neighbor's dog, he bought equipment with his friends, they put it to the door, there was a squeak, the dog barked and that's the end


    Yeah ... and Gulczas replaced the scooter with a UFO ... It was also in the film. And Reksio painted the kennel himself. :)

    When do you get it to your head that CINEMA and TV have their own laws of the universe? ;) Not necessarily true.

    By the way. Just because people can't hear a sound doesn't mean it isn't there. It is and works the same whether you hear it or not.
    If you're not going crazy, the dog won't go crazy either.
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    ciekawicz
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    Gentlemen, from what you wrote while the discussion unfolded, I concluded that it is possible, however, to construct such a device at home.

    After all, a suitable piezoelectric tweeter with an amplifier, e.g. 300W, and a fairly simple system generating specific frequencies - that's all that is needed. For example, a few such loudspeakers on the ground floor of a 10-story building, emitting sufficiently strong (amplifiers!) Sounds, say 25-28KHz, can probably quite quickly cause mass madness of all the dogs in the block (and other animals hearing on similar ranges can). So it turns out to be a rumor could have a real basis . Real - in the sense that is scientifically justified. And people are later surprised that people believe en masse in haunted houses or UFOs. It is enough for the amateur electronics to have such fun, all the dogs in the block will be beaten and people will spread the word that "bad" has visited their tenement houses :)

    Hehe, well, I'm glad that an interesting topic was brought up.

    Best regards to all.
    AC
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  • #35 18668181
    Bartosh16
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    I must be committing a crime digging up this topic, but the matter is urgent. The neighbors have two mean mongrels that will catch on every sign of life or death. I don't want to kill them, because it's not the dogs who owe it, but I could use something to howl, squeal, bark, one might say, when prompted.

    I work at home, I need silence; Meanwhile, the neighbors say that these are the charms of the apartment in the block of flats, the dogs are barking, they are taking care of them properly, nothing can be done. I would like them to feel the charms of living in a block of flats very clearly.

    There are ultrasonic dog scarers available, but supposedly through the wall won't work.

    I will be grateful for your help.
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  • #37 18668254
    Bartosh16
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    This is known to me. There is also another article on this, I read on Bezprawnik.

    However, what will happen?
    - the neighbor will catch the ticket or not,
    - if he does not catch him and SM visits him, he will come to plant (not to judge). To whom? To me. Because who else do the dogs disturb? I was the only one who spoke to all of them,
    - if the neighbor catches the ticket, he will come with complaints even more.

    Meanwhile, if I regularly make his dogs rabies after 10 p.m., he will either calm them down himself, or the whole block will collapse on his head.
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    Bartosh16 wrote:

    I work at home, I need silence; Meanwhile, the neighbors say that these are the charms of the apartment in the block of flats, the dogs are barking, they are taking care of them properly, nothing can be done.


    Buy good-class health and safety suppression headphones, they can be active. And you will have peace and quiet, even if the neighbors even shoot each other. They are designed to be worn 8 hours a day, so they are comfortable. And if they can suppress the noise of a jackhammer, they will probably be able to deal with a dog as well. These 200 zlotys will pay off ...

    Another option is yoga. By training your spirit, you can learn to ignore the outside environment and cut off stimuli.

    Tell me, why are the neighbors' dogs to adapt to you and not you to dogs? After all, you are smarter and on a higher level of evolution. Be smart and adapt to the conditions.
    Evolution doesn't like those who don't adapt. ;)
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    Bartosh16
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    The whole problem is that I already have headphones and I need them at work, because I communicate on TeamSpeak or Skype inside the company. It is not a problem for me to turn on music or Jimmy Barnes as he screams 10h and not hear anything.

    It's about the approach. The neighbors came to the previous tenants and asked if the dogs were disturbing. I don't even say "Good morning" on the cage. And when I noticed that the dogs were bothering me, they let me know that they didn't care.

    Yes, I can adapt, but I don't want to. I am one; there are more people who are disturbed by dogs. Besides, you have to be rude with a boor.
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    There are headphones with speakers that cut off external stimuli. There is no problem with working like that, talking on the microphone and not worrying about the sounds from the area. Also, the microphone goes to configure so that it does not catch the sounds of the environment from a greater distance.

    If we give you the lines, you will say that we are trolling you because the color or the design do not suit you.

    Look for: "computer headphones with ANC". Hint, prepare over PLN 400 for the cheapest models.

    If you want, for example: TaoTronics TT-BH22

    I am one of those people who do not mind dogs. Even the most shrill. However, I do not see the slightest reason that a dog that fulfills its role - defending the house, should be punished by a stranger, only for his comfort.
    It is man, as a higher being, who should adapt, not blame the animal for behaving in accordance with its nature. You want to hurt the animal in order to put pressure on the owner and force him to get rid of his companion.

    I am showing you an option that should satisfy your needs without having to upset the whole environment and tire the animals, which will probably take you several weeks of constant noise and stress.

    Do you really think it's worth it, since there is another solution?

    Dogs bark, cats stink, birds shit, rodents bite. This is the world.
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    Bartosh16
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    I tested these headphones (I got them for PLN 230). They drown out nice, but have a few disadvantages:
    1. The audio via blueatooth is bad.
    2. Deregulates my settings in the computer.
    3. It takes a few minutes to set up each time.
    4. The microphone is a joke.

    So I need to know if there are headphones:
    - with ANC,
    - wired (USB),
    - with a decent microphone,
    - which will not need to be configured each time.

    the only thing i could find on my own was

    https://www.x-kom.pl/p/544428-sluchawki-bezp WIWowe-taotronics-soundsurge-air-anc.html#

    Thanks in advance for your help.
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    r103
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    Jakub Urban wrote:
    Hello!

    As for televisions, in 2005 I dragged such a trash with such a remote control and re-tuned it, the duplicator and the power supply quickly broke down in it, so I took it to the attic (I will do it again)

    As for hearing ultrasound, I am 27 years old and I can perfectly hear this remote control (screeching) and broken converters in SAT tuners, TV sets and DVD recorders too.


    My Chekist soul - cannot read it calmly.
    2020 -2005 = 15,
    27-15 = 12

    Wonderful child ???
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Topic summary

✨ The discussion centers around the myth that ultrasound can kill dogs, with participants debating the physical feasibility of such claims. It is established that while ultrasound can irritate dogs, it is unlikely to cause death directly. Responses include anecdotes of ultrasonic devices causing distress in pets, but no evidence of lethal effects. The conversation also touches on the technical aspects of sound frequencies, with clarification on human and dog hearing ranges. Some participants suggest that extreme sound exposure could lead to indirect harm, such as panic-induced injuries. Overall, the consensus is that while ultrasound can affect animals, the idea of it being a widespread lethal threat is unfounded.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 150 dB SPL ruptures eardrums in seconds [NIOSH, 2019]; “Ultrasound can irritate dogs but will not kill them” [Elektroda, Hucul, post #8208548] In normal use, dog-scarers reach ~120 dB at 1 m and rarely work past 7 m. Why it matters: This FAQ helps pet owners, neighbours and hobbyists decide whether ultrasonic devices solve barking problems or create bigger ones.

Quick Facts

• Dog hearing: 67 Hz – 45 kHz, best sensitivity 8–20 kHz [Heffner, 1983]. • Air loss: ≈10 dB/m at 25 kHz, so intensity halves every ~3 m [Kinsler, 2000]. • Handheld deterrent output: 120 dB SPL @ 1 m, effective 5–7 m [Dazer Datasheet]. • Pain/risk threshold: 140 dB SPL for most mammals [NIOSH, 2019]. • 12 cm brick wall cuts >30 dB at 25 kHz—almost silencing the signal [Kinsler, 2000].

Can ultrasound really kill a dog?

Only indirectly. A frightened animal might bolt and hit an object or suffer a stress-triggered heart attack, but the sound alone at consumer levels is non-lethal [Elektroda, Urgon, post #8212213] Lab studies show tissue damage only above 180 dB SPL—far beyond hobby gear [NIOSH, 2019].

What sound level makes dogs uncomfortable?

Randomised tests with beagles showed avoidance at 115 dB SPL and pain behaviour above 130 dB SPL (25–30 kHz) [Heffner, 1983]. Forum users report some dogs collapsing at handheld repellers rated 120 dB SPL [Elektroda, c4r0, post #8212254]

Why don’t ultrasonic emitters work through walls?

Ultrasound wavelengths (≈1.3 cm at 25 kHz) match pore sizes in plaster and brick, causing strong absorption. A single brick wall attenuates >30 dB, reducing a 120 dB signal to a harmless 90 dB—a drop dogs barely notice [Kinsler, 2000].

How far can a typical handheld dog repeller reach?

Specification sheets and user trials place practical range at 5–7 m in free air [Dazer Datasheet; Elektrode, jaga134, #8213095]. Beyond that, air absorption cuts intensity by ~10 dB per metre, so effect fades quickly.

Could high-power ultrasound hurt humans too?

Yes. Above 140 dB SPL, adults experience nausea, headache and possible temporary threshold shift [NIOSH, 2019]. Children hear higher frequencies, so unintended exposure is risky [WHO, 2018].

Do TVs or old ultrasonic remotes bother pets?

Many 1970s/80s remotes transmitted 30–40 kHz pings. Reports show dogs howled and cats panicked when buttons were pressed [Elektroda, vorlog, post #8208584] Modern IR remotes emit no ultrasound.

How can I humanely stop a neighbour’s barking dog?

Try this 3-step approach:
  1. Use passive foam ear tips or ANC headphones when you work.
  2. Politely document barking times and share with the owner.
  3. If unresolved, file a noise complaint citing Art. 51 Polish Code of Petty Offences [Elektroda, lekto, post #18668242] Avoid blasting ultrasound; it stresses animals and may breach cruelty laws.

Is infrasound more dangerous than ultrasound?

At equal power, yes. Infrasound around 14–20 Hz couples with body cavities and can cause nausea or dizziness at 120 dB SPL [Elektroda, Urgon, post #8217432] Ultrasound mainly irritates ears and skin but penetrates tissue poorly.

What frequency should I test to check if my dog still hears well?

Play 8 kHz, 16 kHz and 22 kHz tones at low volume. Most adult dogs react up to 20 kHz; senior dogs may stop responding above 16 kHz [Heffner, 1983]. Keep sessions under 30 s to avoid stress.

Can I build a 300 W ultrasonic emitter at home?

Technically, yes: pair multiple piezo tweeters with a class-D amp and a 25–30 kHz oscillator. But cost exceeds €250, efficiency is poor, and SPL may breach 140 dB—illegal in many regions and hazardous to you first [Elektroda, ciekawicz, post #8232879]

What laws cover using sound to disturb animals?

Poland’s Animal Protection Act Art. 6 forbids intentional distress; EU Directive 2010/63 also restricts harmful exposure. Noise above 85 dB in dwellings can bring civil claims under Art. 144 Civil Code. Always verify local limits.

How do I measure ultrasonic levels safely?

Use a calibrated MEMS microphone rated to 50 kHz (e.g., Knowles SPU0410). Record in REW, then apply A-weighted correction. Wear hearing protection rated 30 dB NRR when testing signals over 100 dB SPL.
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