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The best software for smart home simulation: SCADA or something else?

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What software should I use to simulate a smart home system, and is SCADA software like CoDeSys or WinCC Flexible suitable for it?

Use a dedicated smart-home design and simulation tool rather than an industrial SCADA package; one recommendation in the thread is TECOMAT, described as a fully functional simulation tool for domestic installations [#9805465] CoDeSys is suggested only if the system is based 100% on PLCs, mainly because of its visualization capabilities [#9393985] The thread warns that using an industrial PLC for home automation is expensive and gives poor results compared with a controller made specifically for smart homes [#9805465] It also points out that home systems often need features like remote controls, temperature measurement, internet/web visualization, camera integration, weather stations, DALI, Opentherm, and M-Bus support, which are better matched by a dedicated platform [#9805465] If you still choose CoDeSys, it is available as a free download after registration [#9399553][#9800740]
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  • #1 9393035
    aqwe
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    Hello!

    I’d like to ask for some advice on which software is best for simulating a smart home system. Should I use SCADA software (such as Codesys or WinCC Flexible) for this purpose? Or perhaps something completely different?
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  • #2 9393985
    grudziu
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    If this smart home were to be based 100% on PLCs, Codesys would be a good solution, not least because of its visualisation capabilities
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  • #3 9394030
    aqwe
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    It’s all done on the PLC. It’s just that Codesys doesn’t support Siemens systems ;/.
  • #4 9394359
    grudziu
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    Why don’t you focus on your weight?
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  • #5 9394617
    aqwe
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    I’ve been thinking about that too, but I’m not familiar with programming on this controller. But of course, anything can be learnt. Does anyone happen to have any resources on this controller?
  • #6 9396331
    aqwe
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    Does anyone know where I can download CodeSys? Is the programme free – did I hear that right?
  • #8 9399155
    aqwe
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    Thanks, I’ve been to that website. But you have to log in to download it. Is it completely free??
  • #9 9399232
    grudziu
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    I don’t know, mate, all you have to do is… log in and check.

    I paid… for my WAGO Codesys…
  • #10 9399553
    acid12
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    It says as clear as day on the website
    Quote:

    Download your free version of CoDeSys here!

    So it’s free, I reckon. I downloaded it from there; you just have to register and that’s it – they don’t even send spam to your email address.
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  • #11 9800740
    filu
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    acid12 wrote:
    It says as clear as day on the website
    Quote:

    Download your free version of CoDeSys here!

    So it’s free, I reckon. I downloaded it from there; you just have to register and that’s it – they don’t even send spam to your email address.


    I can confirm that. I registered, they sent me a code and I was able to download it. There are two versions:

    CoDeSys_v23930 – the older one, with a Polish language option
    CoDeSys_v34 SP4 – newer version, I couldn’t find a Polish version

    I’ve got a question. Has anyone managed to run this newer version in Polish? Maybe there’s some sort of language pack for it?
  • #12 9805465
    EMEA Gateway
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    Download the software from http://emeagateway.eu/emea/pl/cat/242. It’s a fully functional, state-of-the-art design and simulation tool. Install TECOMAT in your home, as it has everything you need for domestic installations. I’d advise against using an industrial PLC for a smart home. The cost is huge – and what’s the point of that SCADA system? – whilst the results are poor. You won’t be able to control things via remote controls, measure temperatures, connect to the internet, you won’t be able to connect it to your TV, visualise it on your own websites, integrate cameras, connect a weather station, control Belimo, control DALI, control Opentherm, or control M-Bus…and the list goes on and on..., and you’ll spend a fortune. And if you wanted to implement those functions on an industrial controller instead, that fortune would be much, much greater.
  • #13 9806459
    aqwe
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    I already have the controller, expansion modules and operator panel, so the costs won’t be that high. I know that working on a controller designed for a completely different purpose will, in reality, be more difficult than working on one specifically designed for this task. However, I want to carry out the work on equipment that I’ve had experience with during my studies and that I’m very likely to have access to in the future.
  • #14 9807698
    EMEA Gateway
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    Dear Colleague,
    Think this through carefully. If you have a machine controller, you can either use it for its intended purpose or sell it so as not to incur the costs of adapting it for home automation. At home, it’s better to use a controller designed specifically for that purpose. After all, the programming is based on the IEC 61131-3 standard anyway, so it makes no difference – if you’ve learnt ladder logic, for example, you already know it. The only thing that’s definitely different is the cost if you actually want the solution to be user-friendly – i.e. the aforementioned internet, cameras, communication, controllers, web server, smart metering… or perhaps integration with VoIP, iPad, iPod, Android, wireless…etc./. To turn an industrial system into a home network, you’ll have to stretch your budget quite a bit, and on top of that, it might not even work out /such as integrating INELS, CFox or weather stations/. You’ll spend a fortune on the cables alone and… end up just switching on a few ‘selected’ chandeliers. But such a whim is only for the very wealthy.
  • #15 9814078
    aqwe
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    Selling the equipment is out of the question, as it’s on loan. Thanks for your efforts, but I’ll stick with this solution after all; things have changed a bit since I wrote those posts. I no longer intend to control everything via the internet or a computer, but simply to use the touchscreen I mentioned earlier. I know it won’t be a fully smart home like the ones being built these days, but my field of study isn’t really related to that, so why should I get too deep into it? I’d rather focus on something I’m familiar with and use the opportunity to expand my knowledge.
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