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  • #1 9475938
    zieluś
    Level 18  
    Hello I wanted to ask what car you recommend to pour french fry oil into it and drive on it without major problems I am considering two
    Polonez with R4 engine
    Mercedes 123 D
    Whether my concern is justified against cars with TDI engines

    and one more thing how to filter such "miracle fuel"
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  • #2 9476142
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    Filtering through the blotter

    Good luck with roadside inspections.... ;) .
  • #3 9476361
    Afcht
    Level 30  
    zieluś wrote:
    Hello I wanted to ask what car you recommend to pour oil in it after fries and drive on it without major problems I'm considering two
    Polonez with R4 engine
    Mercedes 123 D
    Whether my fear is justified from cars with TDI engines

    and one more thing how to filter such "wonderful fuel"


    If you get a ticket at the inspection you will be reluctant to drive.
  • #4 9476389
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #5 9476403
    Afcht
    Level 30  
    Jerzykowski wrote:
    They don't give a fine for fry oil. They give one for heating oil.


    And what difference does it make?
  • #6 9476415
    Trafo888
    Level 17  
    I would not advise driving on overworked oil from deep fryers. It's easy to know that something is wrong by the distinctive smell.

    Quote:
    Good luck with roadside inspections...


    And who checks the contents of the tank at a standard vehicle inspection? Don't exaggerate. Well, unless he has a reasonable suspicion that something is up.
  • #7 9476425
    Afcht
    Level 30  
    Trafo888 wrote:
    I would not advise running on used oil from deep fryers. It's easy to know something is wrong by the distinctive smell.

    Quote:
    Good luck with roadside inspections...

    And who checks the contents of the tank at a standard vehicle inspection? Don't exaggerate. Well, unless he has a reasonable suspicion that something is up.


    Do you know what it smells like behind such a car? Wa.... French fries from a mile away.
  • #8 9476446
    Trafo888
    Level 17  
    Therefore, I advise against driving on used oil!
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  • #9 9476515
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #10 9476544
    Afcht
    Level 30  
    Trafo888 wrote:
    This is why I advise against driving on used oil!
    Even with new oil, it smells like fries.
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  • #11 9476680
    zieluś
    Level 18  
    good as to the oil it is already clear now what car for this will be the best in order to drive it in a fairly trouble-free manner or whether any will be suitable with a diesel engine.
  • #12 9476701
    Kaszpir77
    Level 21  
    I have seen such experiments on a Volvo with free-start 2.4 D engine (VW origin). Unfortunately, after the initial delight later was not rosy, the injection pump died.

    Rape oil at ambient temperature is too thick for the fittings of a diesel engine. One, it's hard to pump, and two, there's no way to spray it properly. Post-frit additionally contains all sorts of sludge.
    Seek as primitive diesel as possible and get to work. You'll see for yourself if it's worth it.
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  • #13 9476704
    Afcht
    Level 30  
    Buy a large supply of pumps and any oiler will do.
  • #14 9477056
    mazi0000
    Level 21  
    If you want to run on rapeseed to you have to do the installation for heating rapeseed in the car.
  • #15 9477502
    Wojtek(KeFir)
    Level 42  
    Rotary pumps are out and common-rails are out. Diesels from the 1970s would be suitable. A turbine could be, even better. As long as the engine has passive injectors and a piston fuel pump, with its own lubrication. (Its own oil, or lubricated with oil from the engine). Rotary, fuel-lubricated ones will seize, because the rapeseed/oil/microplastics from cutters and locomotives have too little lubricating properties.
  • #16 9477505
    bmserwis
    Level 36  
    Let me remind you that any fuel that is not subject to excise duty is illegal, and in case of suspicion if only the police are willing they can call the Road Transport Inspection. Thieving country, thieving law....
  • #17 9477710
    Kaszpir77
    Level 21  
    bmserwis wrote:
    I remind you that any fuel that is not subject to excise duty is illegal, and in case of suspicion if only the police are willing they can call the Road Transport Inspectorate. Thieving country, thieving law...
    I assume that the Inquirer is aware of this and there is little point in dwelling on this issue with us.
    And from the responses of the predecessors I can see that the damaged pump in this Volvo was not an isolated incident and without a decent heating of the "rape" will not work.
    And one more thing, is it at all possible to buy now in a reasonable condition any car with an inline injection pump that has its own lubrication?
  • #18 9478138
    arekb81
    Level 30  
    Buy an old Mercedes (Polonezes rust a lot), if you do not want to have problems, pay the excise tax; if the tank has 50 liters, pay for 50 liters and carry proof of excise tax payment with you.

    Otherwise, there is such a thing as biodiesel B100. It's about 70 cents cheaper than regular diesel, only few stations have it and it's not suitable for every newer car. Exhaust fumes, just as with ladybug oil also smell of French fries.
  • #20 9485263
    Banasiewicz02
    Level 31  
    The best car to drive on anything(on rapeseed works great) is Mercedes W123 or Mercedes W124.Both models meet all the criteria,first they have a sectional injection pump(not roto) lubricated with engine oil,second they have a fuel heater mounted on the engine,third they have large tanks,fourth they are very easy to repair and indestructible.Look around for a typical building after a German cab,you can buy one for up to a thousand zlotys,engines are indestructible,so it can even have a million,you get in you go.

    As for the legality of such an enterprise,go sometimes to a nearby or other station,pour Bio for 20zl,and carry receipts in the glove box,in this fuel are the same bio-components so the state can kiss the citizen in the dzyndzelek.
  • #21 9487364
    tamara75
    Level 10  
    Banasiewicz02 wrote:
    .... , pour Bio for 20zł,...,there are the same bio-components in this fuel.

    Another myth.
    The fuel from the Bliska station under the name Bioester is a methyl ester of vegetable oils so it is chemically different from the thermally "crossed" french fry oils. Bio-components are added to other fuels such as ethanol to gasoline. ITD inspectors taking a sample from the tank can determine the composition and origin of the fuel - for example, whether it does not come from Biedronka:0.
    Every slow-burning Mercedes diesel burns oil from French fries, oil from Biedronka and Bioester. The difference is that the exhaust gas after Bioester does not smell of fries as it is noticeable with the others. Of course, with the assumption of a well-adjusted pump. Considering theoretically, the basis for sampling may be this characteristic smell. Taking into account the reality I would fill up with normal fuel first of all before visiting the diagnostic station and below +5 C. Despite the heating of the fuel in the Mercedes engine, the problem of starting a cold engine remains - vegetable oils have a higher viscosity (not density) so more suction force is needed to pump it from the tank to the pump at the engine.
    BTW I had a 190 2.0D and in winter (even -20C) I flooded it with Bioester from Bliska and it was OK .As for Vegetable Oil I added it to 80% - except in winter, of course.
  • #22 9489856
    zieluś
    Level 18  
    tamara75 wrote:
    Banasiewicz02 wrote:
    .... , pour Bio for 20zł,...,there are the same biocomponents in this fuel.

    Another myth.
    The fuel from the Bliska station under the name Bioester is a methyl ester of vegetable oils so it is chemically different from the thermally "crossed" french fry oils. Bio-components are added to other fuels such as ethanol to gasoline. ITD inspectors taking a sample from the tank can determine the composition and origin of the fuel - for example, whether it does not come from Biedronka:0.
    Every slow-burning Mercedes diesel burns oil from French fries, oil from Biedronka and Bioester. The difference is that the exhaust gas after Bioester does not smell of fries as it is noticeable with the others. Of course, with the assumption of a well-adjusted pump. Considering theoretically, the basis for sampling may be this characteristic smell. Taking into account the reality I would fill up with normal fuel first of all before visiting the diagnostic station and below +5 C. Despite heating the fuel in the Mercedes engine, the problem of starting a cold engine remains - vegetable oils have a higher viscosity (not density) so more suction force is needed to pump it from the tank to the pump at the engine.
    BTW I had a 190 2.0D and in winter (even -20C) I flooded it with Bioester from Bliska and it was OK .As for Vegetable Oil I added it to 80% - except in winter of course.





    80% to regular ON or to bioester ??
  • #23 9490720
    tamara75
    Level 10  
    I experimentally drove several tanks at different vegetable oil/Bioester ratios (1:1, 2:1, 3:1, 4:1). Other than the smell, there was no significant difference. Of course, on a dynamometer this could be measured;) . Back to your question, the ratio with the most vegetable oil and Bioester was 40 OL/10 BIO. Also, driving only on Bioester and I did about 60-70 thousand km. Of course, when there was a shortage of fuel on the road I poured ON.
  • #24 9567494
    zieluś
    Level 18  
    Banasiewicz02 wrote:
    The best car to drive on anything(on rapeseed works great) is Mercedes W123 or Mercedes W124.Both models meet all the criteria,first they have a sectional injection pump(not roto) lubricated with engine oil,second they have a fuel heater mounted on the engine,third they have large tanks,fourth they are very easy to repair and indestructible.Look around for a typical German cab building,you can buy one for as little as a thousand zlotys,the engines are indestructible,so it can even have a million,you get in you drive.

    As for the legality of such an enterprise, then go sometimes to a nearby or other station, pour Bio for 20zł, and carry receipts in the glove compartment,in this fuel are the same bio-components so the state can citizen to kiss the dzyndzelek.

    What other cars have ot such a "miracle pump".
  • #25 12686833
    wic1
    Level 14  
    I know, I'll get a chase for resuscitating the topic but I'll admit that I've seen a carving (probably a diesel Opel of an older date) for burnt fry oil. Generally for anything butter-like or oil-like.... pure genius.

    The guys made it so that a container of 'fries oil' next to the engine would heat up from the engine and a second container under the trunk to heat up from the exhaust pipe. For the filter, they used used used airbags (I don't know what kind) because these have a high temperature resistance. It takes oil that has been burned out, scaled up (it contains less water) and this heats up from the engine. Generally, I have seen him put a cube of butter in the 'tank' and it melted over time. French fries are eating but inside the car. For a kilometer it does not. And will the control catch? Guy drives this from .... now for 4 years.... and to be sure he is registered as a farmer. It is all ok as long as no one looks in the gut.... because there it even shines 'space'. But I have to admit that the idea in the cool.... 100km drives for about £3 :P .
  • #26 16566242
    beegos86
    Level 8  
    I drive 3 years on pure rapeseed, in different proportions, new burned, the car has not seen oil since I have owned it. Made 30,000 km without a stutter. I should add that I do not live in Poland, so I can not comment on the legality of it, however, we own 3 cars, all running on rapeseed, golf 1.9 sdi, octavia 1.9 sdi and Mb c250 1996....
  • #27 16568356
    lamer89
    Level 23  
    I personally know a case of a Passat b3 1.9D that has done about 600 thousand on transformer used oil (and was scrapped due to significant underbody corrosion at a mileage of well over a million)
  • #28 16568475
    E8600
    Level 41  
    Any old diesel without a turbo with a simple injection pump and without excess electronics will do. To not have problems in autumn/winter with firing you need to make an oil heater. Rapeseed is legal if you do not drive on public roads will be suitable, for example, for a tractor to plow a field. Hehe And seriously, a lot of people drive on it but mix it with oil so that the fritter is not clearly felt.
  • #30 16568495
    E8600
    Level 41  
    The author probably does not want to invest in the car therefore I recommend without a turbine these engines are bulletproof (with a turbine will also do as long as the turbine does not fall apart). The 1.9 engine from a Passat or the engine from a Mercedes 123 has outlasted the manufacturer's intentions. I have heard information that a new 1.9 has come out; which will not last as long as the old ones.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using used french fry oil as fuel in various diesel vehicles, particularly focusing on the Polonez with an R4 engine and the Mercedes W123 D. Participants express concerns about the legality and practicality of using such oil, noting that while it may not be illegal to use fry oil, it can lead to issues during roadside inspections. The consensus suggests that older diesel engines, especially those with simple injection systems and without turbochargers, are more suitable for this type of fuel. Recommendations include using Mercedes models due to their robust design and compatibility with vegetable oils. Filtering methods for the oil are also discussed, emphasizing the need for proper heating and filtration to avoid damage to the engine components.
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