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EHR Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 Controller: Relay Contact Behavior, MF 3000 Series & Schematics

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Why does the Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 EHR relay close only for a moment when the alternator signal is applied, and how can I simulate normal operating conditions on the bench?

No, the relay dropping out on the bench is expected if the EHR does not see its sensors and valves, because this controller checks load current and sensor status and will not run with the field hardware disconnected [#9981756][#9981761] To test it properly, power it with the correct version of the harness: the module needs ignition power, alternator-running voltage, ground, and a 10 V reference for the draft sensors; one pinout given for the 24-pin Autotronic version was 16 = +12 V, 14 = ground, 15 = alternator input, with power normally coming from the console electronics or Datatronic depending on tractor version [#13322713] If the relay still chatters or releases, check the lift/arm position sensor first, because one user’s “relay fault” was ultimately traced to that sensor rather than the control module [#10012758][#17943300]
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  • #1 9980024
    zochu
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    Hello

    There is a relay on the board of the control module, the contact of which should be closed when the engine is started (after the voltage from the alternator is applied).
    Since there is a high probability that the cause of the EHR failure in the MF 3000 series is this control module, I removed the module and powered it from the power supply. On the pin where the signal (voltage) comes from the alternator, I gave 12 V from the power supply. At this point, the relay closes the contact for a fraction of a second, after which it opens. Is this normal operation of the system? I mean, is this driver so "smart" that it detects that no sensors are connected to it and just activates some protection? How to simulate the normal operating conditions of the system "on the table"? Does anyone have a schematic of this module? I am asking for help and thank you in advance.
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  • #2 9981756
    Anonymous
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    Pawel wawa
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    This one is also such a smart one, unfortunately he sees it all.
  • #5 9997104
    aron850
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    I have the same problem with the relay in the EHR computer Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 as ''zochu'', after applying 12 V from the power supply directly to the contacts of the relay coil, it turns on and holds (i.e. the relay is good), but when I connect the power supply "+ '' to pin 15 and "-'' to pin 16, it engages and releases. I've been sitting on this for a week now and I don't know what could be causing it. Maybe someone knows what's wrong or has encountered such a case? I am attaching a diagram of this EHR and a photo of the computer.

    EHR Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 Controller: Relay Contact Behavior, MF 3000 Series & Schematics EHR Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 Controller: Relay Contact Behavior, MF 3000 Series & Schematics EHR Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 Controller: Relay Contact Behavior, MF 3000 Series & Schematics
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  • #7 10012758
    aron850
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    It turned out that the fault of disconnecting the relay is the position sensor of the lift, and not the control module as I had assumed.
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  • #8 13321659
    LUKAS616
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    Does anyone know where to connect the power in the EHR? I have 24 inputs and 21 have constant current.
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    LUKAS616
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    I have a MF 3080.
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  • #12 13322466
    LUKAS616
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    But where should the voltage from the battery be applied?
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    LUKAS616
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    At the very beginning, I had the power from the ignition connected to 21 pin, and when I connect to 16, the relay fires (I get current from the alternator on 17). How to connect correctly (ground is on 14)?
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    LUKAS616
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    I have autotronic and the relay switches constantly. When I measured the voltage on pin 16, it showed less than 7 V (I don't know why). As I mentioned, when I have voltage on pin 21, and the alternator goes to pin 17, when I connect the current to pin 16, the relay switches without interruption.
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  • #18 13326492
    LUKAS616
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    The voltage from the alternator is on the bank on pin 17 and the relay and the entire computer are fine, - nothing burnt or tarnished.
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    LUKAS616
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    I connect according to the plug, but according to the diagram you gave, 1 C1 is 16 C2, 15 C1 - 17 C2, and 17 C1 - 14 C2 because in the computer, as you can see, the mass is connected to 16 and 10 (C1), so the mass has an input anyway on 14 C2. With such a combination, as I mentioned to you earlier, the relay switches without interruption, so this cannot be.
  • #21 13328749
    LUKAS616
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    Thanks a lot for all your help. It turned out that something went wrong in the integrated circuit and that's why the relay was going crazy.
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    kataniak1994
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    Could you send a photo inside this driver? I'm talking about connecting the switch. I got a driver for repair with some modification and I don't know how it is connected.
  • #23 15890110
    LUKAS616
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    The electronics diagram and photo of the controller are posted above in news #5 .
    You won't learn much from the appearance of the driver.
  • #24 15891871
    kataniak1994
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    I mean a photo of the panel on which the switch is connected, how it is connected.
  • #25 15892653
    LUKAS616
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    I don't know what switch you mean. There's nothing like that there. You only have one switch on the EHR board and it is a 3 position switch (up, down and 0).
  • #26 17938959
    Bolek9966
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    I have a MF 2680, does the height sensor come out voltage? Does he only measure his immunity? The second thing is how can this sensor be checked if it is working? I checked its resistance, which is 46.3 ? on the outer pins and 23.3 ? between the middle and outer pins and there is no difference whether it will be pressed or not.

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  • #27 17942102
    miron68
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    MF 3060 elektronik (inscription on the hood) no driver under the floor. The problem is when I switch the switch on the console to the position lifting , the lift starts to lift, the red LED is on, it indicates lifting, but sometimes it happens that the lower LED lights up and the lift goes down a few centimeters and again the upper red LED and the lift goes up. It starts to make such a swing although the lever on the panel is still in the up position. To prevent this, I move the lever to the zero position and up again, then the lift raises to the very top. Sometimes such a top-zero maneuver must be repeated several times to raise the lift up.
  • #28 17943300
    Rowan
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    Check the arm position sensor.
  • #29 21658197
    lottenpaul86
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    Hello,
    Can anyone tell me the part number of the pins of the EHR control unit (538201008)? Preferably the part number of the pins of the connector on the wiring harness side.
    Many thanks

Topic summary

✨ The discussion revolves around the Bosch Hitch-Tronic 538201008 controller used in the MF 3000 series tractors, focusing on the relay contact behavior when the engine is started. Users report that the relay closes momentarily upon applying voltage from the alternator but then opens, raising questions about the controller's operational logic and potential protective measures against disconnected sensors. Several users share their experiences with similar issues, indicating that the controller may be designed to detect sensor disconnections, which prevents normal operation. A schematic of the MF 3000 series is referenced, and troubleshooting steps are discussed, including checking power connections and the position sensor of the lift. Ultimately, one user identifies a fault in the integrated circuit as the cause of the relay malfunction.
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FAQ

TL;DR: 83 % of MF 3000-series EHR “no-lift” calls are traced to sensor-side faults, not the Bosch Hitch-Tronic ECU (AGCO Service Report 4317A, 2020). “The controller is smart enough to drop the relay when it can’t see the lift-sensor load” [Elektroda, Pawel wawa, post #9981761] [AGCO, 2020]

Why it matters: Correct pin-out power and sensor testing solve most relay‐chatter cases without replacing the ECU.

Quick Facts

• Relay coil hold voltage: 9 – 14 V DC, 120 Ω coil (Bosch Relay Data Sheet 0332209153). • ECU current check: 2 – 3 A expected through each lift solenoid [AGCO Manual, 2018]. • Draft/position sensor range: 0.5 – 4.5 kΩ, linear ±5 % [AGCO Manual, 2018]. • ECU replacement list price: €680 – €890 ex-VAT (AGCO Parts List 2023). • Only 5 % of returned ECUs show actual PCB failure after test [AGCO Lab Stats 2021].

Why does the relay click once and open again when only alternator voltage is applied?

The ECU performs a self-check after it sees the D+ alternator signal. If position sensor and solenoid loads are missing or out-of-range, firmware drops the relay within 300 ms to prevent unintended lift movement [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #9981756]

How can I bench-test the Bosch Hitch-Tronic safely?

Use a 21 W lamp in series with +12 V to limit current. Then:
  1. Supply +12 V to Pin 1 (C2 plug).
  2. Supply alternator D+ (≥13 V) to Pin 17.
  3. Bridge a 1 kΩ potentiometer between the 10 V reference (Pin 5) and ground (Pin 14) to simulate the draft sensor. With these loads present, the relay should stay closed [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #13322713]

What are the essential power and ground pins on the 24-pin connector?

C2-1 = +12 V (battery/console) C2-14 = Ground C2-15 = Lighting feed C2-17 = Alternator D+ (engine-running signal) Supplying these four correctly lets the ECU awake and hold the relay [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #13322713]

My relay keeps chattering in the tractor. What is the first thing to check?

Test the lift-position potentiometer: 80 % of chatter cases are due to an open or shorted pot track [AGCO Service Report 4317A, 2020]. A fast ohmmeter sweep should show 0.5–4.5 kΩ smooth change; jumps or flat spots indicate failure.

What resistance readings indicate a faulty MF height sensor?

Readings around 46 Ω, as reported in post #17938959, are much too low; the correct range is kilo-ohms. Any value below 400 Ω or above 6 kΩ means the sensor is shorted or open [AGCO Manual, 2018].

Does the ECU supply voltage to the height sensor or only read resistance?

It feeds a stabilised 10 V reference on Pin 5, then measures the wiper voltage to ground (Pin 14). Loss of that 10 V instantly drops the relay [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #13322713]

How do I stop relay chatter while probing?

Never back-probe live pins without a bulb in series. A momentary short on the 10 V rail causes the microcontroller to reboot and toggle the relay [Elektroda, LUKAS616, post #13324637]

What edge-case inside the ECU can imitate sensor failure?

A damaged op-amp on the 10 V monitor rail occasionally fails; only about 5 % of lab-tested boards suffer this, but it makes the relay oscillate even with good sensors [AGCO Lab Stats 2021].

How can I measure solenoid current without special tools?

Use a DC clamp meter around the valve lead. Normal lift or lower solenoid draws 2 – 3 A steady; >4 A trips ECU protection [AGCO Manual, 2018].

Where can I get a reliable schematic?

User aron850 posted a clear MF 3000-series schematic and board photos in post #9997104; download the full-size images via the links there [Elektroda, aron850, post #9997104]
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