Difference Between Automotive LPG and Domestic LPG: Composition and Usage

Hello
I have a question (maybe not too much for this forum, but ...) what is the difference between gas for cars and the one in the home installation?

Unless I am mistaken, it is the calorific value and, of course, the pressure at which it is delivered.

So car gas is suitable for home and vice versa? And has anyone tried to ride a wogula?

The theory is the theory, but in practice in the cylinder at home and in the cylinder in the car is the same LPG. In our company, forklifts run on ordinary domestic cylinders.
Once, I saw gentlemen driving beetles on these cylinders, who would bring gas home.

cammora wrote:

So, car gas is suitable for home and vice versa? Has anyone tried to ride a wogula?

Wait a minute - do you mean "domestic" natural gas or gas from a cylinder?

Because if it is from a cylinder, it is often the same.

I mean natural gas

Natural gas is extracted, as the name says, from the ground, and LPG, i.e. propane-butane, is a by-product of crude oil refining, besides, natural gas is gaseous and LPG is liquid. Certainly, experts will give you many other differences, but to power cars, you use mainly LPG, and the natural gas is used sporadically for city buses and sometimes for forklifts.

that is, while driving rather nothing, I was just wondering why you can't hear that people do not refuel at home, after all, a Pole can do it.

It was precisely this difference that I meant to explain. I wondered if it was possible to drive on natural gas. Thanks to everyone for the explanation

It is possible to drive as I wrote, but there are other installations for natural gas. When it comes to refueling at home, I know a guy who made an extra charge and refueled his car with gas from a kitchen cylinder - he costs about PLN 1.3 per liter instead of PLN 1.9

that is, savings can be made.
But when it is poured from a cylinder, you need a pump for that?

How exactly he did it, he did not reveal to me, but I will also ask.

cammora wrote:

that is, savings can be made.
But when it is poured from a cylinder, you need a pump for that?

It is difficult to transfer the gas without using the pump because it will overflow only until the pressure in both is equalized.
Some people transfer gas from a cylinder to a cylinder using ... an electric stove They heat the cylinder from which it is to be poured, and due to the greater pressure difference, more can be poured over.
I haven't seen it in person, but ... I wouldn't really like to be there - I'd like to live a bit more

Well, this is where the steps begin: pump, hose, cylinder and risk

Hello, this is my first statement on this forum, but to the point I saw cars with CNG installation for compressed natural gas and they differ from LPG with a cylinder with pipes and a reducer, the biggest problem is with refueling to pressurize as much gas as possible into the cylinder, in some regions of Poland in gas pipelines there is so much pressure that you can go directly from them in Małopolska, unfortunately not. when refueling home gas installations, fuel costs are greatly reduced.The downside is a large complication, small range and no stations.

And what is the difference, e.g. a bottle, is different? Such an ordinary home? Refueling would not be a problem if the price was much lower (and what is the price of 1m of natural gas), you can find a compressor unit. Interesting how combustion?

As far as I know, in city buses, natural gas cylinders take up almost the entire luggage space, when I read about the car, it was probably a Citroen Berlingo, the gas cylinder took up the entire trunk - the car probably belonged to the gas company in Warsaw.

So in passenger cars it would pass the exam at short distances, e.g. when driving around a city where the car burns the most anyway, what the trip is refueling. On the other hand, I wonder how much he would smoke per 100km?

this is the only way we deal with compressed natural gas, which requires quite large tanks

Hello

The FIAT company launched the Fiat Multipla on the domestic market with (natural) methane gas, and the car with this engine had lower fuel consumption and more power than an ethyl-fired Fiat.
Every car with an LPG installation would probably like to run on natural gas
there is only one problem with compressing this gas into a liquid form.
Filling the tank with natural gas in the form in which it is in
home installation for a long ride would not be enough for us

A friend who works at MPK told me about test buses for natural gas. In fact, the gas must be liquefied, the bus has huge tanks along the entire length of the roof, the refueling of which takes 4 hours. And the funny thing is that such a vehicle will not run all day on this fuel. He has to refuel again during the day! As a result, fuel consumption is not the lowest, but it probably pays off anyway.

Personally, I downloaded 3 VV Polo for natural gas from Belgium. They were previously used by the municipal police. Rear seats removed and in their place quite large tanks (100 liters for sure). Of course, these vehicles were converted into gasoline in Poland. Compressors for shifting from the gas network are very expensive and it is not worth doing it alone ... but I know that people with garages in housing estates buy together. The cost of 100 km is said to be around PLN 10. Not counting the investment in the compressor, of course.

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Natural gas (methane) in an automotive installation is CNG, it is worth reading for such an installation.
PropaneButane in the LPG installation and the one used at home differs in that the LPG one has a compound similar to oil added to it, I know this because I have refueled a cylinder from a stove at an LPG station more than once and I noticed such an oily substance on the valve.

Since the topic has been unearthed, I explain:
- there are gas installations for cars running on CNG gas and there are stops where you can refuel such a car, but there are few of them (https://www.google.pl/search?q=+CNG+ stations in+Polsce " target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener ugc" class="postlink inline" title="" > https://www.google.pl/search?q=+CNG+ stations in+Polsce ),
- such installations can be used in passenger cars, but the cylinders are large and take up the entire trunk,
- combustion is similar (slightly lower) to gasoline, the cost of CNG is similar to LPG, only the price of the installation is higher (about 2x as much as the LPG installation) and you have to travel far to refuel (unless you live near a CNG station),
- just like in gas cookers or stoves, the nozzles need to be replaced depending on whether they are powered by CNG or LPG, and the LPG car installation is not suitable for use with CNG gas,
- in the company where I had an internship, they poured LPG from forklifts into the cylinder (they stole) - one lost both hands, and the other had to be scraped off the walls ...

I think that closes the topic.