Converting Single-Phase to Three-Phase: Electrician vs Company and Ownership Act

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#31 11468725 30 Oct 2012 19:02

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11468725 30 Oct 2012 19:02

that is, take a 25 A protection and buy cables and all accessories as if under 32A?
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#32 11468762 30 Oct 2012 19:09

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11468762 30 Oct 2012 19:09

Only the cable from the connector / meter to the building is important in this case.
The rest of the installation is a standard independent of the value of the pre-meter protection.
#33 11468773 30 Oct 2012 19:11

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11468773 30 Oct 2012 19:11

kkas12 wrote:
Only the cable from the connector / meter to the building is important in this case.

i.e. the cable that will go from the pole on the way to the meter on the wall?
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#34 11468808 30 Oct 2012 19:17

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11468808 30 Oct 2012 19:17

You will probably have the meter at the plot border, not on the wall. And from the meter you need to bring the cable home for your own $.
#35 11468820 30 Oct 2012 19:19

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11468820 30 Oct 2012 19:19

.sk wrote:
You will probably have the meter at the plot border, not on the wall. And from the meter you need to bring the cable home for your own $.

why the pole is outside my plot and the line will go overhead, what will they attach this meter to? to the fence?
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#36 11468845 30 Oct 2012 19:25

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11468845 30 Oct 2012 19:25

This is more or less what it should look like
#37 11468863 30 Oct 2012 19:29

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11468863 30 Oct 2012 19:29

And where do you currently have the counter?
The new one does not have to be in this place.

Anyway, now it's just a hoping for nothing.
One of your colleagues wrote to you
Quote:
If you want reliable information, go to the ZE appropriate for your place of residence.
To the technical department.
So that's where to start.
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#38 11468868 30 Oct 2012 19:30

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11468868 30 Oct 2012 19:30

andrefff wrote:
This is more or less what it should look like

ok for cable installation yes ?? but overhead, that is, there will probably be a link from the pole to the top of my building, this is what it looks like for my neighbor
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#39 11468882 30 Oct 2012 19:32

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11468882 30 Oct 2012 19:32

Of course not.
A lot of electricians write here, storytellers and write what they saliva on their tongue.
If you have an overhead connection, the ownership boundary is most likely on the insulators at the top of the building and will be replaced up to this point by a power plant (if necessary). It's up to you to replace the WLZ (i.e. the riser) and prepare the pre-meter protections and the place to connect the meter.
WLZ 4X25mm YAKY or ASXsn is more than enough, even if you ever want to increase the power. From the YDY counter 5x10mm is also enough.
Do not buy anything until knock, you will not get an answer from ZE and you will not approve the scheme because it may turn out that you bought something unnecessarily.
#40 11468885 30 Oct 2012 19:33

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11468885 30 Oct 2012 19:33

kkas12 wrote:
And where do you currently have the counter?
The new one does not have to be in this place

it is known that it will not be in this place because I have this one in the corridor (old building), the new one will be outside the building, by all means everyone has it

what I wanted, I know, I will submit an application, I will receive guidelines and then somehow it will be ....
#41 11468985 30 Oct 2012 19:53

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11468985 30 Oct 2012 19:53

ufogrzesiak wrote:
it is known that it will not be in this place because I have this one in the corridor (old building), the new one will be outside the building, by all means everyone has it

Not necessarily. The fact that everyone has this is due to the quite recent times, when Energa "sponsored" the taking of the measurement as part of the modernization of the LV grid.
Currently, it is more likely what the freemasons wrote, i.e. replacement of the connection with a three-phase one up to the ownership limit and the rest is the concern of the recipient.
#42 11469135 30 Oct 2012 20:19

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11469135 30 Oct 2012 20:19

If you would adjust to my earlier post, you would not ask so many questions, e.g. 1KW with an overhead connection is 114.00 + 23%, cable 143.00+ 23%, it is written that you belong to the 5th group, etc.
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stacho60 wrote:
If you would adjust to my earlier post, you would not ask so many questions, e.g. 1KW with an overhead connection is 114.00 + 23%, cable 143.00+ 23%, it is written that you belong to the 5th group, etc.

V connection group - for an overhead connection PLN 98 / kW, for a cable connection PLN 124 / kW,

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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the process of converting a single-phase electrical installation to a three-phase system. Users share insights on costs, necessary documentation, and the roles of electricians versus companies in this process. Key expenses include a PLN 500 fee for a design map from the geodetic office, potential costs for increasing connection capacity, and fees for the energy company (ZE) based on the desired power increase. Participants emphasize the importance of hiring qualified electricians for the installation and the need to report changes to the County Office. The conversation also touches on the implications of different connection groups and the necessity of ensuring that the installation meets future power demands.
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TL;DR: Upgrading a rural Polish home from 1-phase to 3-phase typically costs 98 – 150 PLN per added kW, "25 A is just a subsistence minimum" [Elektroda, kkas12, post #11468592], and 90 % of connection rebuilding is paid by the utility [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463324]

Why it matters: Budgeting and sizing now prevents expensive rewiring later.

Quick Facts

• Map for design: ~500 PLN from district geodesy office [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463324]
• Group V connection fee: 98 PLN/kW overhead, 124 PLN/kW cable +23 % VAT (*Energa cost table*)
• Typical extra-power charge seen in forum: 150 PLN/kW [Elektroda, ADAM445, post #11468559]
• 25 A pre-meter fuse ≈ 17 kW, 32 A ≈ 21 kW [Elektroda, kkas12, post #11468592]
• 90 % of physical connection cost borne by utility [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463324]

Can a licensed electrician do the conversion, or must I hire a company?

Any electrician with valid SEP E+ D licences may legally rebuild the domestic installation. The utility only requires a signed inspection report with the installer’s stamp [Elektroda, ADAM445, post #11463676] A company offers paperwork support, but technical competence depends on the person, not the logo. Ask for references and certificates before signing [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463324]

What documents must I submit to Energa for a three-phase upgrade?

You file: 1. Ownership deed or notarised power-of-attorney if the plot is in a parent’s name [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463324] 2. Geodetic map for design purposes. 3. Completed connection-capacity application. After approval, you sign the connection contract and pay the power fee [Elektroda, mar_cik, post #11464760]

Where do I get the geodetic map and how much does it cost?

Request a “mapa do celów projektowych” from the county geodesy office. Forum users paid about 500 PLN in 2012 [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463324] Prices vary by region and size; verify locally.

Which connection group covers my 13-14 kW single-family house?

A 1 kV or lower supply under 40 kW belongs to Group V [Elektroda, mar_cik, post #11467787]

How much will I pay per extra kilowatt?

Energa lists 98 PLN/kW (overhead) or 124 PLN/kW (cable) plus 23 % VAT for Group V (Energa cost table). Forum members report actual invoices of 114 – 150 PLN/kW, depending on region and year [Elektroda, stacho60, #11469135; ADAM445, #11468559].

When is the fee due?

You pay the connection-power fee before the utility schedules meter replacement. No payment, no work [Elektroda, ADAM445, post #11463965]

Why choose 32 A protection if 25 A seems enough?

25 A fuses meet only minimal selectivity with 16 A socket breakers. "32 A future-proofs the house for the price of two or three hundred zlotys" [Elektroda, mar_cik, post #11467787] 32 A equates to about 21 kW and avoids another connection-fee cycle later [Elektroda, kkas12, post #11468592]

What cable size should I lay from pole or meter to the house?

Install YAKY 4×35 mm² (overhead) or YKY 5×10 mm² (underground) so future upgrades to 32 A or 40 A need no replacement [Elektroda, kkas12, #11468592; masonry, #11468882].

Do I need to notify the County Office of installation reconstruction?

Polish Construction Law treats a single- to three-phase change with higher capacity as "reconstruction" that must be reported to the County Office [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11465875] Utilities often file this when they adapt the service line [Elektroda, andrefff, post #11465925]

Who pays for the connection and who pays for the in-house wiring project?

Utility pays for service redesign and physical work up to the ownership point; the customer pays a flat power fee plus the interior installation design and labour [Elektroda, INTOUCH, #11463564; mar_cik, #11464148].

How do I calculate my requested connected load?

List simultaneous device ratings, divide single-phase appliances among three phases, add a 20 % reserve, then round to nearest kW. Example: 6 kW welder + 2 kW compressor + 2 kW saw ≈ 10 kW; ask for 14 kW to include lighting and margin.

3-step How-To: upgrading with Energa

Submit ownership deed, map, and capacity application to Energa.
Sign the connection contract, pay the per-kW fee, and receive technical conditions.
Hire a licensed electrician to install WLZ, protections, and issue the compliance report; Energa then mounts the new three-phase meter [Elektroda, ADAM445, post #11463676]

What happens if I load only one phase heavily?

Uneven loading can trip the 3-phase breaker; users reported single-phase overloads that "crash" the pre-meter protection [Elektroda, INTOUCH, post #11463751] Balance large appliances across phases to avoid nuisance outages.

How long does the paperwork usually take?

One forum user received Energa’s decision in about one month [Elektroda, ADAM445, post #11463676] Complex rural upgrades can stretch longer if land-access permits are needed.

Edge case: Can the meter stay inside the house?

Yes, if the existing service route meets today’s standards, Energa can leave the meter indoors. Recent policies, however, often move meters to the plot edge for easier access [Elektroda, zbich70, post #11468985]