1979 Multi-family Block Apartment: Electrical Installation Examination Concerns

Print and post a note underneath: "In residential premises, work will be carried out to identify the contents of the above-mentioned by persons claiming to supervise electrical installations."

I support your decision to call the police.
At 99.9%, they will be scammers, and even if they are not scammers, they will not have the appropriate rights, so they will disappear from sight sooner than they appeared.
Also remember that they should document the commissioning of such works by cooperatives or anyone who is officially the administrator of the building in which you live.

Moderated By retrofood:

You will receive a 100% warning for the next such "advice".

contact the cooperative in the morning, they wrote that they will be after 4 p.m. - so maybe you will be able to confirm there, if it turns out that they do not know anything about it, call the police beforehand to let them wait.

In case you plan to catch cheaters red-handed, don't do it yourself, as you may run into serious problems, but if you can get help from your neighbors, you have a good chance of success.
It is enough to block the entrance to the building without exposing yourself to health or legal risks.
If it turns out that they acted legally, on commission, it will be a good example for the building manager not to do such things rashly and force them to act according to the rules of law, whatever it may be. :-)

Either you correct the spelling or the post will be deleted. [retrofood]

I am not able to correct!
You are the third in a row whose regulations and rules do not apply.

The building administrator is responsible for periodic inspections of electrical, chimney, gas, etc. installations, etc. The frequency of inspections is strictly defined and ranges from 1 to 5 years depending on the type. These obligations result from the Construction Law. If they were not carried out before, the administrator neglected his duties and managed to avoid inspections, e.g. building supervision. At the same time, the tenants were lucky that as a result of these neglect there was no tragedy. The method of notifying tenants about the inspections carried out is set out in the SM statute and other regulations, e.g. on my notice board in the block. There are also provisions on the obligations of tenants, among others eg "the tenant is obliged, at the request of the Cooperative, to allow entry to the premises whenever it is necessary to carry out inspection, maintenance, renovation, removal of failures and reading measuring devices". By not admitting authorized persons, you risk performing the inspection at your own expense. Read the statutes and regulations of your MS. In addition, the persons performing the measurements must be authorized by the SM and prove themselves upon request.

By the way, the building is over 30 years old and electrical measurements have never been carried out. You don't want to believe it, I wonder what kind of cooperative it is. As for the scope of measurements, the obligation to carry them out, time, etc., there are many topics on our forum, written by experts.

fbodek wrote:

The building administrator is responsible for periodic inspections of electrical, chimney, gas, etc. installations, etc. The frequency of inspections is strictly defined and ranges from 1 to 5 years depending on the type. These obligations result from the Construction Law. If they were not carried out before, the administrator neglected his duties and managed to avoid inspections, e.g. building supervision. At the same time, the tenants were lucky that as a result of these neglect there was no tragedy. The method of notifying tenants about the inspections carried out is set out in the SM statute and other regulations, e.g. on my notice board in the block. There are also provisions on the obligations of tenants, among others eg "the tenant is obliged, at the request of the Cooperative, to allow entry to the premises whenever it is necessary to carry out inspection, maintenance, renovation, removal of failures and reading measuring devices". By not admitting authorized persons, you risk performing the inspection at your own expense. Read the statutes and regulations of your MS. Moreover, the persons performing the measurements must be authorized by the SM and prove themselves upon request.

Not an authorization, but an agreement with SM. Besides, that's exactly how it is. I advise the author to call the administrator of the facility and not be smart. If the measurement contractor gets upset, he can report the matter to PINB.

All colleagues who have as much knowledge about installations as me about tooth extraction and wrote nonsense, I warn you that "rewards" in the form of warnings will be given out for re-speaking on topics they have no clue of.
Please see Art. 62 of the construction law and let it go.

Hello.
Recently, electrical measurements were carried out at my home, the contract with the administration only covered the measurements of 4 sockets, 2 in the kitchen and 2 in the bathroom. The rest of the surveyor was not interested. For taking measurements, he received PLN 15 from the premises. The administration is satisfied and so is the person performing the measurements.
Greetings.

And I have a question for my colleague retrofood, what is the user of the premises supposed to do in the case described in post # 11? Also go to PINB?

andrefff wrote:

And I have a question for my colleague retrofood, what is the user of the premises supposed to do in the case described in post # 11? Also go to PINB?

Yes, first a letter in which PINB will request the results of the measurements, and the second time an administrative penalty, if they are not performed.
In an extreme case, PINB may consider the premises unusable.

And this administrative penalty will be charged to the flat user or the client, in this case the building administration?

Report to PINB for an answer.

retrofood I have a question whether such measurements as were made in my apartment are the norm (measuring only 4 sockets), or whether it has nothing to do with electrical measurements. In the protocol, I have changed the value of security between the kitchen and the bathroom, which already proves the approach to the subject of measurements.

Ryszard49 wrote:

retrofood I have a question whether such measurements as were made in my apartment are the norm (measuring only 4 sockets), or whether it has nothing to do with electrical measurements. In the protocol, I have changed the value of security between the kitchen and the bathroom, which already proves the approach to the subject of measurements.

Unfortunately, these are most likely quasi-measurements.
And what is included in the measurements, it is regulated by the standard PN-HD 60364-6: 2008 Low voltage electrical installations - Part 6: Checking.

I just mean whether such measurements are acceptable in the light of the applicable regulations. I know what the measurement protocols look like, I checked with the company. If everything is within the law, then the measurements taken in the apartments are a bit of paranoia.

The topic is described several times on the forum, we will not repeat ourselves.

And you won't let the gas man and the chimney sweep? I also do not have SEP permissions and you will also call the police? (insiders know what's going on)

There were such gentlemen at my place, they checked the short-circuit loop resistance, and that's where their measurements ended ...

Bogdan K wrote:

retrofood wrote:

And you'll make me laugh. There is no such thing as Sep's powers.

Please see the website of the Association of Polish Mechanics Engineers and Technicians - Link

What engineers and mechanical technicians come up with does not interest me at all. The only statutory mode of confirming qualifications can be found here:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic1663449.html

"Validity of qualification certificates issued indefinitely" How am I asking?

Hello.

Bogdan K wrote:

As for these measurements of the electrical installation in the apartment, it is another idea to milk money from people, I have been living in this apartment for 15 years and no one has made such measurements before

This idea results from the Construction Law, as well as for checking gas installations.
More precisely Chapter 6 - Maintenance of construction works, art. 62 p. 5

It is precise - it is about all Electrical Installations.

Why does an employee make periodic examinations at a doctor's office? .. in order to obtain confirmation that he can work in the profession and the installation can be used in the same way, but who are we writing to? After all, the col.repairs household appliances, so in order to be able to perform repairs, it is required to have a qualification certificate and to be able to obtain this certificate, it must know what requirements the installation must meet in order for it to be used, it is a shame that it is you who write such heresies.