IT Technician Diploma: Benefits & Opportunities Without a High School Diploma

Hello, I graduated from the IT technical school and yesterday I received my diploma, but unfortunately I do not have a high school diploma and I have a question if this diploma will give me something in such a situation?

The diploma is a high school graduation certificate.
It does nothing by itself.
You know what Sohiro Honda (the founder of the Honda concern) used to say about the university diploma?

Quote:

"This piece of paper is worth less than a movie ticket.
The latter at least allows us to get into the room and have a pleasant time,
while a diploma does not guarantee that we will be able to start an independent life. "

The essence is - what you can do, not "how nice paper you have".

Hello!

A technical secondary school diploma is worth much more on the labor market than the matura exam. It is worth having a professional exam and the title of technician. Believe me, I know something about this. Sometimes it so happens that even having knowledge and skills, without graduating from school with the appropriate faculty, it is very difficult to find a job in a given profession. However, if you think about higher education - if I am not mistaken, there is nothing to talk about without a high school diploma.

Greetings!

Hello!

mickpr wrote:

The essence is - what you can do, not "how nice paper you have".

And if you can do something, why not back it up with an appropriate document. It just so happens that more and more employers, in addition to skills, require confirmation of qualifications, e.g. passing a vocational exam, and this is often the basis for obtaining and continuing work in the profession.

technik_informatyk1 wrote:

Hello, I graduated from the IT technical school and yesterday I received my diploma, but unfortunately I do not have a high school diploma and I have a question if this diploma will give me something in such a situation?

A high school diploma alone does not mean much in the labor market if you do not wish to continue your education. Authorizes to take the secondary school-leaving examination.

buczo11 wrote:

And if you can do something, why not back it up with an appropriate document.

You can, but in fact I will insist - it is not important to get the paper.

Example?
Will the employer hire someone with the paperwork - or someone to earn him money?
Will a bank employee - when granting you a loan, ask if you have a diploma or not? Perhaps he will rather ask for a surety, what is your income?
Nowadays, there are a lot of unemployed people with higher education (including technical). However, there will always be a demand for people who earn money - even in a vocational school.

What is more important - paper or skills?
I know many vocationalists who employ graduates - because they have more eggs than SOME university graduates - for whom the "paper" is the pinnacle of their dreams.

The paper certificate of skills is important in the country, here nothing has changed since the fall of the commune. Human resources require paper, 3 years of experience in the position held, and availability. And so from 45 until today and there is no indication that it will change. So in the country you have to collect documents, diplomas, certificates, courses, training, certificates and other papers invented by officials. And you will be patting gray poverty. If you want to earn a decent living, you need to acquire not knowledge, but myself, knowledge and skills. And go abroad. They will not even look at your collections there, they will test you thoroughly in practice, because that's what counts for the employer - the employee's knowledge.
And in Poland, collect receipts. You will get a job anyway "for acquaintances".

mickpr wrote:

Will a bank employee - when granting you a loan, ask if you have a diploma or not? Perhaps he will rather ask for a surety, what is your income?

So the so-called creditworthiness, but in this particular case, even outstanding professional skills, knowledge and work experience will be of no use if they find that creditworthiness is poor (but there are many completely different factors for it).

mickpr wrote:

What is more important - paper or skills?

I did not write about it. I meant skills and knowledge without, against this "paper".

mickpr wrote:

university graduates - for whom the received "paper" is the pinnacle of their dreams.

This approach is inherently flawed and cannot be an end in itself.

krakarak wrote:

The paper certificate of skills is important in the country, here nothing has changed since the fall of the commune. Human resources require paper, 3 years of experience in the position held, and availability. And so from 45 until today and there is no indication that it will change. So in the country you have to collect documents, diplomas, certificates, courses, training, certificates and other papers invented by officials. And you will be patting gray poverty.

I think we live in other countries.
If your goal is a "quiet job in one of the companies" - then you are right.
Go to work with a private citizen - you will have a completely different opinion.
And you don't have to travel abroad for this.
Unless you want to start earning 3,000 a paw ... then yes.

Look, I was starting a job in a large corporation, not having finished my studies yet, for a so-called warm job for good money. I passed all the tests (including intelligence and English). Unfortunately, I was thanked due to the lack of completed studies. I thought then, what fungus they picked me up after the exams. But when I finished my studies, I sent my CV again and the response was immediate, and instead of tests, I only had a conversation with the manager. There are companies in which you will not get a job without a paper, they have such a policy, it is changing a little now, but do not count on the fact that without education you will find a good job if you are not an extraordinary person. Own activity is different, but not everyone is suitable for it (I, for example, are not).

mickpr wrote:

The diploma is a high school graduation certificate.

Not that I was picking on, but the high school graduation certificate, at least in my case, is the receipt of a technical secondary school diploma with the results of min. admitting in any subject. When you collect this certificate, you get proof of secondary education. A technician's diploma is not proof of graduating from high school, because you can graduate from high school without having a high school diploma or the title of a technician If my friend disagrees with me, I will argue because before writing my high school diploma I already had my high school graduation certificate. And whether you pass the secondary school-leaving examination (a separate secondary school-leaving examination certificate) or pass the technical exam (a diploma confirming passing the exam and receiving the title) has nothing to do with primary secondary education :P

mickpr wrote:

It does nothing by itself.

It gives something of itself. Maybe it does not go hand in hand with professional experience, but you already have a title. Take a look at job advertisements. Some require a secondary technical education. The latter are not, primary secondary is enough. I would argue over the issue of having the title alone and the title with experience.

gajerz wrote:

For corporations, paper is important,

Unfortunately, you are right - which is not good for a corporation - since it is the main indicator of their staff selection.
In most cases, the "paper" should be followed by skill. Unfortunately, nowadays, studies can be bought, because for the dean / rector the "number of souls" is important, not the level of the university. And that's not just my opinion.
It is a damaging truth for those who study honestly - summing them up "under the line" with these "figureheads" - but unfortunately it is.
Working for a private citizen is different. He will not pay you a penny (or he will pay you, but you will not pay him for a long time) - if your work will not bring profits or will not reduce the costs of other people in the company.
You will get much greater satisfaction (and safety in times of crisis) when - both you and others are convinced - that your work brings specific money. Who will not hire a "golden egg-laying hen"?
On the other hand, who will hire a person working in the corporation - who does not know what he was doing. After all, she could "hide behind boxes" and make "all day long". Well, she has a piece of paper !!!

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gajerz wrote:

On the other hand, who will hire a person working in the corporation - who does not know what he was doing. She could, after all, "hide behind boxes" and make "all day long". Well, she has a piece of paper !!!

You can't quite do that, it will work out in the end. Look, I worked for a private employee, now I work in a corporation and in my opinion the corporation is much better (terms of employment and such things), and the fact that the president of the company does not really exist, I don't care much anymore. To get here, it wasn't enough to finish your studies, you also had to have a lot of knowledge.
PS I have been working shortly but I have not met a person from a private university yet, where the condition for passing is the timeliness of transfers.

In order not to have a hangover in old age, you should emphasize your professional competences with a qualified worker, technician or engineer diploma, if you can afford it. At a young age, education should come first, then work.

I used to believe that skills are the most important. And, in fact, a lot has not changed, but let's remember that sometimes we will not be admitted to the initial interview without a paper, what's more, the employer wishes to recruit employees with such and such education. Does it make sense to apply without it?

sq9cwd wrote:

Does it make sense to apply without it?

Sometimes pushing yourself to hell works. Sometimes the "corporate modes" grind long and passionately and reject the blank.
I was once grounded (rejected) by such a corporation at the start - and I don't regret not getting it.
My friends got in - not one person, not two. Everyone regretted ... the wasted money and the "work".
It is much wiser to believe in your own strength, not in a piece of paper.
When you are the world champion in some field, no one will ask for the paper.
When you have nothing to support (wipe) - the paper will come in handy.

It's just that world champions are individuals, there are professionals who could successfully design airplanes, but have a very slim chance of getting through.
PS I do not know a person who would regret learning (studying), of course I omit people who graduated from a private university, major in tourism, and have a grudge against life that they cannot find a job for PLN 5,000 net. It is also very important to what extent it was educated.

This is how you learn, because you have to, because colleagues were walking, or parents pressed. "Cultivate passion, have fun and salty erase" my motto.
Responding to the author - having such a diploma, I got my first job .... 1/8 time ... The only advantage is that I had time to study.

While studying at the Faculty of Electronics of the Warsaw University of Technology, I had electroacoustics for two years, I attended classes with a grain of salt. If anything, I was only interested in electronic circuits related to the track and measurements. On the other hand, enthusiasts of "the depth of sound, sweet timbre and other delight over the sounds of the acoustic track" were haunted until my company won an order to develop and manufacture acoustic equipment.
Knowledge revived, it was useful, I earned one of the bigger money. Education, passion and work in the profession are essential. You never know when, what you have learned, even temporarily forgotten, will be needed by you.

b4rt3q wrote:

Listen, I was starting to ...

Are you sure you graduated from the studies you are writing about? Nobody there noticed you that you are attending studies, you are studying, you are going to graduate, are you after your studies? Because many times with the stubbornness of a maniac you write "study", "after graduation". When you write, don't you see the red underline for errors?

You got me beautifully I have always had problems with spelling and I will, and the discussion about our "CRADLE" Polish language is a different story. By the way, it doesn't matter if I have something heavy or difficult to do, and I have the same number of problems with it.

b4rt3q wrote:

the discussion about our "CÓDOWNY" Polish language is a different story.

In the past, when someone made mistakes, it was simply ignorant. He stayed in the class after hours, he had additional tutoring.
Today - he is dyslexic, or he thinks up of a different - scientific-sounding EXPLANATION.
However, no term justifies the mistakes made at the moment - when we have the "Spelling" key available while typing, right?

I am not any dis ..... and when it comes to correcting spelling, my FireFOX does not correct Polish errors, only English ones (such a requirement of the company). Yes, wogule is not a place for such discussions.

b4rt3q wrote:

Yes, wogule is not a place for such discussions.

Let's see where the post is located. Forum Elektroda-> Nauka Szkolnictwo. Oh, I think my friend made a mistake.

Coming back to the point - how can you expect someone to be "someone" in life - when you cannot write any script in the correct Polish?
So what if someone can build space rockets - if he lacks the basics of communication.
So what if he has a "certificate" of university graduation - if someone who graduated from a vocational school CAN express himself correctly, and he DOESN'T WANT.
You don't have to be a master of philology right away to TRY to write correctly.
After all, you are Polish, are you not? If so - please - write in Polish.

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b4rt3q wrote:

Yes, wogule is not a place for such discussions.

Let's see where the post is located. Forum Elektroda-> Nauka Szkolnictwo. Oh, I think my friend made a mistake.

-> Does the IT technician diploma give you anything? No "Do Poles write correctly".
http://www.polskieradio.pl/5/3/Artykul/708489,Mistrz-popelnil-jeden-blad-Wyniki-dyktanda As you can see, it is difficult with this Polish language, it could be concluded that it is impossible not to make a mistake.

Each diploma gives something

b4rt3q wrote:

Does the IT technician diploma give you anything? No "Do Poles write correctly".

So I will answer substantively: The technician should at least write in correct Polish.
At least this is what he should learn by graduating from high school and graduating.

You just do not respect us - forum members. That's why you write "any-what" style posts?
Do you do everything in your life "sloppy"?

If you cannot (or do not want to) communicate on the (at least) basic level of the Polish language, we will not get along.
And don't count on being "petted". Elektroda is not a forum for "writing differently".
If you have any doubts about it - I recommend reading point 3.1.13 of the Regulations.

Of course, let him write nonsense, but not with a 'ó'. Somehow I passed my high school diploma in Polish and with a good result (but apparently it is a failure of our education system). I even defended my engineering thesis (apparently for some it was important that it was interesting, not that in the first version it probably had 30 spelling and stylistic errors).
To judge if someone does everything sloppy on the basis of a few spelling mistakes, is how to say that someone is not good for anything because they only finished vocational training.

b4rt3q wrote:

Assess if someone does everything sloppy on the basis of having made a few spelling mistakes

I judge you (and not only me) by what you wrote yourself, so blame yourself.
Spelling and other errors happen to everyone - me too. The only thing that hurts my eyes is that you Deliberately commit them.

Coming back to the topic - the ability to correctly (including without errors) formulate your thoughts is very important.
When someone is unable to clearly express their needs in accordance with the rules of spelling and style (e.g. correctly write an application for a raise) - with his statement he confirms that he was not taught the basics at school and should return to it.
A diploma in computer science technician who commits cardinal spelling mistakes and cannot write clearly - what he means - becomes less worth than toilet paper.

This is what the "computer technician" (or any other school) diploma means without knowing (and applying) the rules of spelling.

The mistakes that I made consciously and are really eye-catching, were written to emphasize that sometimes spelling is just a burden (sometimes I do not write everything directly). Unconsciously, I wrote 'study' instead of 'study', but as you say mistakes happen to everyone. My matura presentation concerned the changes that had taken place in the spelling from the beginning of the Polish language, so if they were so, why not introduce them now. It would be easier for all of us, and it would be without such discussions that lead to nothing.