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Belt transmission - calculations of pulleys diameters and rotational speeds

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  • #1 12721005
    wave
    Level 11  
    At the very beginning, a few pieces of information so that there are no misunderstandings.

    These are not comprehensive belt transmission calculations, but basic calculations that help to choose some parameters of such a transmission.
    When calculating and selecting parameters, one should rely on the standards and standard parts !!!
    The diameters of the pulleys and the belts are standardized !!!

    I recommend studying the "Constructor's Guide" (general purpose belt transmissions with V-belts manufactured by "STOMIL SANOK" SA used in the construction of machines and devices):
    http://www.stomilsanok.com.pl/upload_module/segdownload/poradnik_konstruktora_2012_pl.pdf

    I do not include standards or links to them for legal reasons. The standards are available in school and university libraries, in the technical departments of companies, they can also be purchased :)

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    So let's get to the heart of the matter :)

    Belt transmission - calculations of pulley diameters and rotational speeds using a spreadsheet (Microsoft Excel, LibreOffice Calc)
    (list of attachment files at the end of the post)

    Pulleys and V-belt - illustrative drawing
    Belt transmission - calculations of pulleys diameters and rotational speeds

    Belt transmission - calculations of wheel diameters and rotational speeds (MS Excel 2003) .xls
    Belt transmission - calculations of wheel diameters and rotational speeds (LO Calc 3.5.0).

    I prepared the sheets for my own needs (construction of an electric conical (drill) wood splitter), but maybe they will also be helpful for others :)

    Tab "calculations on table"
    - it is enough to enter the values "revolutions of the motor shaft" n1 and "effective diameter of the active (driving) pulley on the motor shaft" d1
    - and then select from the table the value "effective diameter of the idler (driven) pulley on the shaft of the driven device" d2 for the value we need "revolutions of the driven device shaft" n2
    Belt transmission - calculations of pulleys diameters and rotational speeds

    "Calculations on formulas" tab
    - it is enough to enter three known values to calculate the fourth value
    Belt transmission - calculations of pulleys diameters and rotational speeds


    ATTENTION: Since these are mathematical calculations, appropriate normalized values for pulleys and V-belts should be selected from the standards !!!


    Dependencerotational speed and diameter of pulleys:
    n1 * d1 = n2 * d2

    Motor shaft rotation:
    n1 [rpm] = (n2 * d2) / d1

    Driven device shaft rotation:
    n2 [rpm] = (n1 * d1) / d2

    Effective diameter of the active (driving) pulley on the motor shaft:
    d1 [mm] = (n2 * d2) / n1

    Effective diameter of the idler (driven) pulley on the shaft of the driven device:
    d2 [mm] = (n1 * d1) / n2

    ATTENTION: The effective diameters of pulleys are the diameters at which the load is transferred for standard V-belts and for which the rotational speeds of the driven devices are calculated. These are not the outer diameters of the pulleys, but smaller diameters than them !!!

    Pulley and V-belt - pictorial drawing
    For comparison, the location in the groove on the pulley of type A and B belts. Use the same type of belts, e.g. for a 2-groove pulley: 2 belts B or 2 belts A.
    Belt transmission - calculations of pulleys diameters and rotational speeds

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    A few comments from myself !!!

    - effective diameters of pulleys are mathematically calculated values, so it is necessary to select from the standards, the normalized effective diameters (closest to us) of pulleys and the width of the raceways for V-belts

    - V-belts (dimensions) are selected from the standards

    - outer diameters of pulleys should be calculated (or selected) so that the V-belts do not fall from the pulleys (visible in the attached drawings, including "Pulley and V-belt - reference drawing")

    - the outer diameters of the pulleys (bases) for the V-belt should be calculated (or selected) so that the V-belts rest with their own side walls on the side walls of the raceway under the V-belts on the pulleys, there should be play under the belts (visible in the attached drawings, m .in. "Pulley and V-belt - reference drawing")

    - pulley widths should be calculated (or selected) so that the V-belts are not too close to each other and do not fall off the pulleys

    - the angle of contact of the pulley by the V-belt depends on the effective diameter and must be in the appropriate range (information included in the standard) so that the belt does not slip, and there cannot be a large disproportion between the diameters of the pulleys - this is information for those who will choose second pulley to the one already owned (reducing or increasing the speed)

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    An example for my motor shaft pulley and A (13) and B (17) V-belts.

    Data:
    - Engine revolutions: n1 = 940 [rpm]
    - Effective diameter of the active (driving) pulley on the motor shaft: d1 = 132 [mm]
    (Outer diameter of the driving pulley on the motor shaft: d1z = 140 [mm])
    - Pulley with two V-belts type B (17). For stubborn, you can also use two A-type belts (13).
    (view of both belts in the overview drawing)
    - Required revolutions of the driven device shaft: n2 = 650 [rpm]
    - The axial distance of the shafts is adjusted by moving the motor in the guides.

    Wanted size:
    - Effective diameter of the idler pulley (driven) on the shaft of the driven device: d2 =? [mm]

    The value calculated from the formula d2 = (n1 * d1) / n2 is: d2 = 190.89 [mm]

    As the rotations of the driven device shaft in my case do not have to be that exact, I choose from the standard the closest value of the effective diameter of the pulley: d2 = 190 [mm]. Outer diameter of the pulley: d2z = 200 [mm].

    Ds - effective diameter of the pulley (selected from the standards, after previous calculation)
    Dz - outer diameter of the pulley
    Dp - outer diameter of the pulley (base) for the V-belt
    Dw - inner diameter of the pulley (per shaft)
    L - pulley width

    Attached files:
    Pulley Dz140 Dp110 Dw38 L50 Ds125 Ds132 (V-belt type A13 B17) .dwg
    Pulley Dz140 Dp110 Dw38 L50 Ds125 Ds132 (V-belt type A13 B17) .pdf

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    The attachment "Przekladnia_pasowa_obliczenia_by_wave.zip" contains the following files:

    Belt transmission - calculations - description.txt

    Pulleys and V-belt - illustrative drawing.dwg
    Pulleys and V-belt - drawing pogladowy.jpg

    Belt transmission - calculations on the table.jpg
    Belt transmission - calculations using formulas.jpg

    Pulley and V-belt - drawing pogladowy.jpg

    Belt transmission - calculations of wheel diameters and rotational speeds (MS Excel 2003) .xls
    Belt transmission - calculations of wheel diameters and rotational speeds (LO Calc 3.5.0).

    Pulley Dz140 Dp110 Dw38 L50 Ds125 Ds132 (V-belt type A13 B17) .dwg
    Pulley Dz140 Dp110 Dw38 L50 Ds125 Ds132 (V-belt type A13 B17) .pdf

    [DWG drawings (R2000-2002) made in DraftSight V1R3.2]

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    PS. If anyone noticed any errors or inaccuracies, please provide an appropriate (constructive) comment.

    PPS. If the department is inadequate, I ask the Moderator to be transferred to the appropriate one.

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    EDITION:
    2013-09-10, 22:45
    - added drawing "Pulleys and V-belt - reference drawing"
    - updated list and files attached

    EDITION:
    2013-09-13, 18:35
    - updated sheet, description, and files attached in connection with the comments below :)
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  • #2 12728046
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #3 12728561
    mikstu2
    Level 27  
    Ideally, the author of the topic should provide at least a few examples of standardized / commercially available V-belts, and a pulley groove profile for each of them.
    The calculation of the gear / number of revolutions is very simple, even for a moderately intelligent junior high school student :cry:
  • #4 12729269
    SadekMB
    Level 15  
    Colleagues, it seems to you that every middle school student will count and select pulleys to get the given speed ?? I doubt it.
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  • #5 12730110
    gumijagoda12345
    Level 12  
    My friend does not understand easy, the more I have what your problem is, let's not talk about the calculations, because I see no problem here, first you should write some constant data, not examples and do not refer to the constructor's guide, your drawing does not meet the technical drawing standards, I'm talking about in the attachment and you have not clearly presented what we are referring to, i.e. the values you have and are unchanged because I understand that you have the motor with a pulley, and the diameter of the shaft on which the second wheel is to be mounted ah, and the rotational speed you are interested in, because If we are to refer to what you presented in the table, omitting the calculations, I do not see a problem in substituting the results taking into account the tolerance to the standards presented in this guide, you must specify exactly what you have a problem with and what we should help you ...... ....
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  • #6 12730322
    mikstu2
    Level 27  
    Basic formula for calculating belt transmission, and more (including gear and chain transmission)
    n1 / n2 = d2 / d1
    where:
    n1 - rotational speed of the driving wheel (most often on the motor shaft)
    n2 - rotational speed on the receiving wheel (passive)

    d2 - diameter of the receiving (passive) wheel
    d1 - diameter of the driving wheel (most often on the motor shaft)


    Most often we are interested d2 assuming n1, n2 and d1.
    By transforming the formula given at the beginning, we get:

    d2 = (n1 * d1) / n2

    So there is no "higher math" here that is difficult to grasp for a moderately intelligent middle school student.

    PS. Another thing is the transmission of the required power through the transmission (the angle of contact between the wedge wheel by the belt, the number of belts in the transmission, the correct shape of the groove in the pulley, etc.), but I think that at the beginning, you do not have to worry too much about it.
    In any case, the topic founded by a colleague wave he somehow helps the interested topic, and the link provided in his post # 1 is also valuable
  • #7 12732117
    wave
    Level 11  
    Thanks for the comments and criticism :)

    - I know that my topic can be summarized in one formula :)
    n1 * d1 = n2 * d2

    - I changed the markings to the appropriate ones and added sample data. Sorry to take the easy way :)

    - I made corrections in the sheet - only standardized effective pulley diameters for A and B belts are given.

    - The spreadsheet is only meant to be a help, not to play with the calculator in constant calculations, but to quickly enter the calculated value.
    Is it for middle school students? If someone needs it, then OK :)

    - I know what the technical drawing and dimensioning look like. The drawings are only illustrative, although in accordance with the dimensions. The additional dimensions are for control purposes only, to illustrate "non-technical" certain matters.
    I know, I know: dimensioning and sections :)

    - Does anyone see the word "compendium" in my post? This is neither a compendium nor a guide, but a modest help. For comprehensive calculations, I referred to the use of standards and manuals.

    - I do not wipe my "faces" with standards, but honestly informs that my sheet is only a help, not a compendium.

    - As for "examples of standardized / commercially available V-belts, and the pulley groove profile for each of them" - there is no point in rewriting what is standardized and contained in manuals and standards !!!

    - @ gumijagoda12345 - topic is not inserted to solve any of my problems because I don't have one. It is only meant to be a modest help to others :)

    - If you feel up to it, you can post on the forum comprehensive calculations of the belt transmission along with complete technical drawings :)

    PS. Question for Moda: Is the "Sandbox" section the right place for me? As I see what is listed in the general section, I dare to doubt.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around basic calculations for belt transmission, specifically focusing on the selection of pulley diameters and rotational speeds. Participants emphasize the importance of adhering to standardized components and provide a fundamental formula for calculating the relationship between the rotational speeds and diameters of the driving and receiving pulleys. The author acknowledges the need for clarity in presenting data and technical drawings, while also addressing criticisms regarding the complexity of the calculations. The conversation highlights the utility of a spreadsheet as a quick reference tool rather than a comprehensive guide, and participants suggest including examples of standardized V-belts and pulley profiles to enhance understanding.
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