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Hyundai i30: Can I Replace Refrigerant 1234yf with R134a? Concerns About Car Seats Safety

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  • #1 13092003
    electro
    Level 18  
    Hello
    Is it possible to replace the 1234yf with the r134a? I have read about the "magnificence" of this factor and now every time I go with my children in car seats, I feel uncomfortable. From what I saw on the compressor and in the car manual, the factors are interchangeable. Does sucking off the refrigerant and oil on the machine to 1234yf and charging the r134a fix the problem? Does it require any extraordinary flushing of the installation?
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  • #2 13092482
    Piasek80
    Level 31  
    And something is wrong with the air conditioning that you want to get rid of it?
    Wait, hold off - maybe you can make money on it because 1234yf is 10x more expensive than r134a
  • #3 13093402
    electro
    Level 18  
    The car is new and fully functional. He wants to get rid of the factor because it is flammable and the combustion products are highly poisonous. As I wrote, I sometimes travel with children fastened in child seats, so the awareness of the presence of such a factor in the air conditioning system, which becomes unsealed with slight blows to the condenser, makes me mentally exhausting. And why should I risk in the name of dubious ecology and the interests of the producers of 1234 (s) yf.
  • #4 13094112
    Piasek80
    Level 31  
    You dramatize unnecessarily. In the event of a collision, the factor (which is under pressure) will evaporate rapidly.
    electro wrote:
    And why should I risk in the name of dubious ecology and the interests of producers 1234 (s) yf '

    Well, BASF is going to make a fortune (and some Bruxela guys who pushed it through with approval.
  • #5 13095249
    lontre
    Level 12  
    Even with sudden unsealing, the risk of exceeding the concentration at which ignition occurs is negligible.

    R134 has a negative impact on the greenhouse effect, not to mention R12, which was used in systems for several or even several dozen and combined with high temperature to form mustard gas. Somehow for so many years there have been no accidents in which death was the cause of poisoning with this gas.

    When it comes to completing the system, you can think about replacing it.
    For now, ride and don't worry.
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  • #6 13095589
    electro
    Level 18  
    Thanks for your advice, but I was mainly interested in the technical aspect, maybe I shared my dilemmas unnecessarily.

    So is it easy to replace r1234 with r134?
  • #7 13099312
    lontre
    Level 12  
    Unofficially, yes, anyway, ask at the Dealership, as far as I know, the men from the Hyundai network have already mastered this topic.
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  • #8 13374449
    g_felek
    Level 2  
    this is not possible other pipes, a different cooler, a completely different compressor.
    By replacing the factor, you risk damaging the compressor, the compressor works completely differently, the amount of gas must be different, a question of expansion and the construction of the pipes themselves. The gas itself is not so dangerous, its amount is 500 g, it has no chance of getting inside the cabin. He is dangerous just in contact with broken skin, he digests proteins. the time of decomposition of this gas in the atmosphere is 2 weeks. The previous one is min. 2 months. And the older ones didn't break down at all
  • #9 13379453
    electro
    Level 18  
    g_felek wrote:
    this is not possible other pipes, different cooler, completely different compressor.


    Sure, and the stickers are the same :D

    Hyundai i30: Can I Replace Refrigerant 1234yf with R134a? Concerns About Car Seats Safety
  • #10 13379671
    milejow

    Level 43  
    The difference is only in the service valves, the rest remains unchanged.
  • #11 13382731
    decybel91
    Level 42  
    The factor is fully replaceable.
  • #12 14781154
    MarEwel
    Level 12  
    But you write the nonsense. After all, the websites themselves change the 1234yf to 123a, because probably the companies themselves are afraid of possible lawsuits if an accident happened. Moreover, how many cars with the r12 factor used to have air conditioning? 1234yf is less efficient, and it is manufactured by Honeywell and DuPont on exclusivity, not basf, and where do you get this information from. As of today, the R1234YF 5kg cylinder costs 3200 PLN, and 12kg r134a 280 PLN.

    From this place I have to thank the wonderful uni EU for the fact that it cares for our wallets and our health.

    Quote:
    HFO-1234yf less efficient than the current R-134a refrigerant

    The analysis of the physical and chemical properties of HFO-1234yf showed that it is about 8-10% less efficient than R134a, which means that the air conditioning system will have to use more energy to work, which will translate into an increase in fuel consumption by 5%.


    Quote:
    HFO-1234yf dangerous to humans

    Compared to its predecessor, the new coolant is theoretically less harmful to the environment (taking into account the Global Warming Potential index), but it is flammable. What's worse, when it ignites (at 405 ? C), it releases hydrogen fluoride. This, in combination with water (e.g. supplied during extinguishing), turns into very dangerous hydrofluoric acid. This acid is deadly to humans - it easily penetrates the skin into the human body and if it is not hospitalized very quickly, it has no chance of saving it. That is why this measure poses a threat to people, especially in a collision or car accident. However, among the potential victims are mainly firefighters responsible for extinguishing a burning vehicle.


    Quote:
    Tests confirm the harmfulness of HFO-1234yf

    Tests carried out by Daimler (a manufacturer of Mercedes-Benz cars), the German Federal Institute for Materials Research and Testing (BAM) and German journalists from Auto Bild and Zeit, clearly showed that HFO-1234yf is a poisonous, flammable agent and under certain conditions even explosive. The European Commission appeared deaf to these allegations, and rejected Daimler's request to delay the marketing of HFO-1234yf as a refrigerant. However, she emphasized again that it is completely safe and that every newly homologated car approved for sale in the EU will have to have it.
  • #13 15462558
    Maciejhst
    Level 12  
    Hello

    Let me refresh the topic a bit, because now it also applies to me.
    I bought a Peugeot 308 with R1234yf air conditioning. Unfortunately, the air conditioning is unsealed-empty. They want PLN 1,200 for the filling. This is a bit of an exaggeration.
    I found a company in Ciechanów that converts systems from R1234yf to R134a, but I'm from Silesia and I don't really see such a trip.

    Hence my question. Does anyone know a company in Silesia that does similar things?
    From what I read, the difference between both installations is the type of valves and different compressor oil.
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  • #14 15462582
    psilos1
    Level 32  
    Piasek80 wrote:
    Well, BASF is going to make a fortune (and some Bruxela guys who pushed it through with approval.

    So far, only two companies have a patent for the production of a new refrigerant - Honeywell and DuPont.

    Added after 9 [minutes]:

    The replacement of valves can be carried out by virtually any workshop dealing with air conditioning .... look-ask in the area
  • #15 15462708
    Maciejhst
    Level 12  
    The problem is that it's not that simple, because anyone can replace the unscrewed valve, and in this case you have to cut and re-solder the entire connector.
  • #16 15462710
    DJ ANNUS
    Level 31  
    OK, and I have a question for professionals whether the remains of this mountain ... will not damage the air-conditioning machine when idling?
    I don't know the seals will swell, the pump will jam or the valves will close forever ...
  • #17 15462754
    Maciejhst
    Level 12  
    I don't think such miracles will happen, the worst that can happen is a mixture of both factors.
    Since these factors behave the same in the air-conditioning compressor, it should be similar in the pump.
  • #18 15490560
    bula_wrz
    Level 16  
    and if I can ask how much do they want for this conversion to R134a ?? :)
  • #19 15492913
    Maciejhst
    Level 12  
    I invite everyone interested in the subject to read here


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Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of replacing refrigerant R1234yf with R134a in a Hyundai i30's air conditioning system. Concerns are raised about the flammability and toxicity of R1234yf, especially when traveling with children in car seats. Some participants argue that the two refrigerants are not directly interchangeable due to differences in system components, such as compressors and pipes, which could lead to damage if improperly handled. Others suggest that unofficial conversions are possible and that the main differences lie in service valves and compressor oil. The cost of R1234yf is highlighted as significantly higher than R134a, prompting discussions about the economic implications of such a conversion. The conversation also touches on the technical aspects of the conversion process and the potential risks involved.
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