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Automation for a 62m2 flat - wired or wireless, which systems to choose?

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How can I build a low-cost, expandable home-automation system for a 62 m² flat that controls lighting, sockets, blinds, heating, media and sensors while remaining usable if the controller fails?

For a low-cost hobby installation, use a conventional centrally wired electrical system with bistable relays and add an Ethernet-connected PLC or controller rather than relying entirely on an expensive proprietary bus. Route each lamp, socket or blind motor and its momentary wall switch back to the distribution board; the relays preserve normal manual operation even if the automation controller fails. Use relays with an auxiliary state contact so the controller can determine whether a circuit is on, and drive mains relay inputs from an Arduino through an isolated 5 V interface relay rather than connecting the Arduino directly. A Fatek PLC was suggested as a more capable alternative to Sterbox or IUVO, while Satel was described as economical and scalable; Sterbox can provide custom web pages for tablet control, including weather or timetable information. [#13721918] [#13721776] [#13761659] [#13954954] [#14020113] Plan cabling carefully by cable category, distance, bend radius, interference and routing, and photograph all routes before closing the walls because ordinary electrical installation practices may damage or impair data, TV/SAT and control cables. [#13722602] [#13724263] TV control can be handled with RC5/IR receivers in rooms and a transmitter, with the automation system communicating through a PLC interface such as Modbus. [#13721918]
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  • #31 13773967
    ovi_pl
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    @kozii thanks for the hint, I will look at your solution today. Due to the fact that I had a very busy previous week I couldn't deal with this earlier.
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  • Managing bistable relay states when arming alarm

    #32 13953156
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    pafciowaw wrote:
    It is possible to recommend a "half-measure": an almost traditional installation based on bistable relays (e.g. lighting: to the distribution board a cable from a lamp and a cable from an astable "bell" switch; in the distribution board a bistable relay; 230 Vac sockets similarly controllable;

    Suppose we have two lamps on bistable relays, one of which is switched on and we want to have both switched off when arming the alarm / leaving the house. How do you change the status of just one in this case?
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  • Using auxiliary contacts to detect bistable relay state

    #33 13954954
    pafciowaw
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    "The system" must see which bistable relay is switched on and only send a "switch" signal to it. In order for the "system to see this" it is possible to use a bistable relay with two contacts e.g. http://fif.com.pl/produkt/26/1432
    where we treat one contact as the working contact (lamp, socket) and the other as information on the state the relay is in (info via this contact to the input of the controller).
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  • Using power cycling to reset bistable relays to OFF

    #35 13955405
    pafciowaw
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    Are you talking about the so-called hotel bistable relays? - where several relays can be controlled in groups, e.g. a floor; and at the same time each of them can be controlled individually...
    The problem of switching off can still be dealt with in another way - switch off the power for all of them for a while - they don't have a state memory so when the power is switched on again they will set themselves to OFF (and will be ready to accept a pulse to ON).
  • Arduino 5V compatibility of the bistable relay

    #37 14019776
    FasterThanX
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    pafciowaw wrote:
    The "system" must see which bistable relay is switched on and only send a "switch" signal to it. In order for the "system to see this" it is possible to use a bistable relay with two contacts e.g. http://fif.com.pl/produkt/26/1432
    where we treat one contact as the working contact (lamp, socket) and the other as information on the state the relay is in (info via this contact to the input of the controller).

    Will this relay work with the Arduino (5V)?
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  • #38 14019860
    pafciowaw
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    Of course! :)
    With one contact you switch on 230 Vac (lamp), and through the other you can supply the controller input (by connecting +5 Vdc)
  • #39 14019891
    FasterThanX
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    Thank you for your reply.
    Let's assume we have the Arduino connected to the second contact on +5 Vdc.
    Will I only be able to check the status of the relay or also control it on +5 Vdc?
  • #40 14020113
    pafciowaw
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    Unfortunately no! The relay must be controlled (at input 6) by a pulse from phase (L) or neutral (N). It is necessary to use an interface relay (with coil at 5 Vdc) whose contacts will "simulate" one of the wall-mounted bistable switches (paralleled).
  • #41 14020212
    FasterThanX
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    Could you please provide a specific model of interface relay so that I can familiarise myself with it (online instructions) and analyse the connections?
  • #42 14020267
    pafciowaw
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    Such to print (to include board, screw terminals and relays - you can create a multi-channel 5 Vdc/ 230 Vac output interface)
    http://www.piekarz.pl/?item=25901
    or e.g. http://www.piekarz.pl/?item=27457.
    A second solution (for stands and for TS35 rail):
    http://www.piekarz.pl/?item=36403
    The second solution is a little more expensive but FINDER can be recommended "with eyes closed". :)
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