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Choosing the Right I-Beam Size for Ceiling Support: Wall Demolition & Partition Wall

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  • #1 13752936
    kristof9090
    Level 10  
    Hello,
    Needs help in selecting an I-section to support the floor. Below I present an approximate project. the red walls are to be demolished and I want to place I-sections in these places. The wall marked in blue is a partition wall on the first floor made of brick. Thank you in advance for your response


    Choosing the Right I-Beam Size for Ceiling Support: Wall Demolition & Partition Wall
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  • #2 13755933
    zimny8
    Level 33  
    The red ones for demolition are load-bearing walls?
    Instead of these walls, do you want to give I-sections as load-bearing beams?
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  • #3 13756598
    kristof9090
    Level 10  
    These are partition walls 12 cm wide.

    Yes, I want to use I-sections instead of these walls.
  • #4 13757383
    zimny8
    Level 33  
    If they are only partition walls, then it would mean that the ceiling should be reinforced with concrete beams together with the ceiling? Then you don't need to give an I-beam. Peel off a piece of screed above the ceiling above the wall that you want to demolish, so you will check if there is a concrete ceiling beam there.
    If there are no beams, if you want to dismantle these walls, first you have to support the ceiling along them with joists (three in each) so that the ceiling does not sag, because you will not insert the beams, and you will have to carry it, weakening the entire ceiling.
    With a ceiling width of 4 m between the walls, it is easy and with reserve (it is not known how / what the ceiling will be loaded from above), 20-22 cm high I-sections are sufficient.
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  • #5 13757416
    janek1815
    Level 38  
    The ceiling may not rest on partition walls. So if the building is made in accordance with the construction art, you can remove the walls without making the structure strange with these I-sections.
  • #6 13757442
    zimny8
    Level 33  
    janek1815 wrote:
    if the building is made in accordance with the construction art

    What if it isn't?
    What is often common (especially when they are erected during construction together with load-bearing walls) when partition walls (without foundations) are "load-bearing".
    That's why I wrote that he must check it.
  • #7 13758564
    kristof9090
    Level 10  
    Thanks for the answers, although this one wall is not there anymore and there are small cracks in the ceiling, so far I have it supported, as you say, 3 legions on each side
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  • #8 15110403
    VDawid
    Level 2  
    Hello, I have a similar layout to the one in the picture above, and on the first floor there is also a brick partition wall, what I-beam to choose? better regular 200,220mm or HEB 160mm? is it no difference?

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around selecting the appropriate I-beam size for ceiling support after demolishing partition walls. The user seeks advice on replacing 12 cm wide partition walls with I-sections. Responses emphasize the importance of verifying whether the walls are load-bearing, as ceilings typically do not rest on partition walls. Recommendations include reinforcing the ceiling with joists before demolition and considering I-sections of 20-22 cm height for a 4 m span. A follow-up query about I-beam dimensions (regular 200, 220 mm vs. HEB 160 mm) indicates a need for clarity on structural requirements.
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