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Nie, dziękuję Przekieruj mnie tamubidragon wrote:Who told you such stupid things? Fluorescent lamps with a traditional ignition system have an increased current consumption from the moment of switching on to the moment of ignition (electrode heating before ignition occurs). It is a short period of time and of no financial importance. Compact and linear fluorescent lamps with an electronic system do not have an increased power consumption, I do not charge the capacitors immediately after switching on, because it is a fraction of a millisecond. Ordinary light bulbs also have an increased current consumption when turned on due to the low resistance of the cold filament.... And hence my question, is there a catch in these small 4W, or, for example, as in fluorescent lamps, they consume little, but only after warming up and so they consume more than a standard bulb? ...
kj1 wrote:There is not?
AND THIS what is?
jack63 wrote:And the fact that nowadays (tomorrow may be better) it gives a little more light than a candle is a separate problem.
jack63 wrote:This linguistic construction has nothing to do with marketing. It's just that terminology abhors a vacuum. Marketers came up with the term energy saving bulb , and there is no reason to be surprised because at a time when they wanted to introduce to the market compact fluorescent lamps , name fluorescent lamp it was associated with low-quality light. Here we can put an equal sign:I answer. This is the linguistic structure of marketers.
serwisor wrote:A 4W LED light source gives more light than a halogen bulb with a GU10 cap - 35W.
serwisor wrote:I can see it already ...4W LEDs have successfully replaced 35 and 50W halogen.
e-sparks wrote:serwisor wrote:A 4W LED light source gives more light than a halogen bulb with a GU10 cap - 35W.serwisor wrote:I can see it already ...4W LEDs have successfully replaced 35 and 50W halogen.
Led 4W, taking into account the losses of the power supply, emits up to 200 lumens, and a 35-watt halogen already 550 lumens. Not to mention 50 watt halogen - it's only 800 lumens ...
It's the same as a 4W led bulb![]()
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Regards, Wiesław
karolark wrote:It will not replace either: a 25-watt bulb emits a light beam of 200-250 lumens, which is a bit more than the 4-watt LEDs ...as above, the 4W led can replace a 25W bulb
kriss032 wrote:The manufacturer should provide the power of the LED lamp taken from the 230V network and the power factor (apart from other parameters). So, a 4 watt LED lamp 230 volts draws 4 watts from the mains.The 4 watt 12 volt led lamp consumes 4 watt, the 4 watt 230 volt led lamp has the power supply and consumes more than 4 watt in total ...
kriss032 wrote:PGE Białystok charges for reactive energy (Exceeding the Tg-fi 0.5 standard applies to inductive reactive energy) read on the electrode https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic3241406.html
The point is that 12 v led lamps do not have a switching power supply, switching power supplies found in home devices produce capacitive reactive energy. Inductive reactive energy motors
Zbigniew 400 wrote:More precisely, a prosumer who has a contract with the Electricity Board to sell surplus electricity to the grid....
That link is about the prosumer.
TL;DR: Tests show a 230 V “4 W” LED bulb actually draws 3.8 – 4.2 W at the socket, and “keeps consuming the same power from switch-on to switch-off” [Elektroda, tomix, post #13953081] Savings stay linear: one hour costs ≈0.004 kWh; cheap mis-labelled lamps can gulp 9 – 22 W [Elektroda, jmar, post #16026881]
Why it matters: Knowing real wattage lets you predict bills, spot fakes and choose the right replacement.
• Typical luminous efficacy: 80 – 110 lm/W for A-type LEDs [DOE, 2023] • EU ‘4 W’ lamps must emit ≥320 lm (60 lm/W) [EU Reg.2019/2020] • Full brightness time: <0.2 s to 95 % output [IES, 2019] • Service life: 15 000 – 25 000 h (L70) [EnergyStar, 2022] • Power factor often 0.5–0.9; households pay only active energy [Elektroda, Anonymous, post #15978684]