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2005 Colt CZ 1.3 95HP Engine Steering Wheel Locking Up & Hardening Issues: Seeking Solutions

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  • #1 14625555
    samko78
    Level 13  
    Hello
    I own a 2005 Colt with a 1.3 95HP engine. There was a problem with the steering system. I have been struggling for some time with the problem that when driving straight, my steering wheel began to lock up. To be exact, it looked like someone grabbed the steering wheel for a few hundredths of a second and I couldn't move it for chrissakes and after a while everything went back to normal. This happened once in a while for a longer period of time. Currently, the situation has escalated and during a one-kilometer drive it is capable of happening several times and even on a curve. Therefore, I decided to take the car to a mechanic, because driving it further was very dangerous. In addition, it came to the fact that at a standstill the steering wheel began to work very hard, the more I turn the harder it goes, in addition, when I tighten to the end the steering wheel slightly trembles. I went with this to the mechanic put on a damaged steering pinion, but he was not 100% sure and said to take it elsewhere. I took the car to a person who deals with steering in general. He again came to the conclusion that everything is ok on the side of the mangle and that the bearings on the mcpherson are to be replaced, but he concluded that he will still connect it to the computer and check whether there is sometimes still an error there. And what turned out is supposedly an error that there is bad voltage on the power steering motor. The bearings were replaced, unfortunately, did not bring anything. Another mechanic capitulated. I don't even know where to return it anymore because hardly anyone wants to undertake it. I thought to maybe swap the power steering controller, but I don't know if that would make a difference. If anyone would have any idea what is going on I would appreciate it.
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  • #2 14625865
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    There is an electric power steering, in it look for the cause, and more specifically in the relays that control the engine.
  • #3 14626073
    samko78
    Level 13  
    So it seems that without removing the power steering motor will not do. And let go of the power steering control module ?
  • #4 14628073
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    I don't know its construction but the relays are rather in the module, because from the photos I can see that there are only two thick wires going to the motor.
  • #5 14628114
    tolo
    Level 35  
    Give a picture of the inside of this controller.
  • #6 15303964
    paskudnytypek
    Level 2  
    Hello
    I have the same problem , exactly the same.
    I checked everything ...literally, the last thing was to swap the driver from a working colt and what ...? It turned out that it is still the same, locks the steering wheel and power steering goes hard and sometimes the EPS light comes on.
    Today for the 4th time I lowered the sled to get to the steering wheel and started checking everything from the beginning and found the cause.
    The culprit turned out to be the motor rotor, visually everything was ok, but when I started checking the wires at the commutator where they are attached it turned out that on seven circuits there are loose wires, they are not soldered but crimped and I guess centrifugal force knocked the wires out of the attachment. And here is another problem because I do not know how to pull this rotor out of the mangle, because if I have it disassembled I will be able to try to fix it, maybe it will work. Maybe someone knows how to pull this rotor out of this housing ?
  • #7 15310452
    samko78
    Level 13  
    In my case, the culprit of the whole failure was the motor. I thought about replacing it, but after talking to a friend who has already had a similar case a few times, we came to the conclusion that a better solution would be to replace the complete steering pinion with the motor. The reason for such a decision was the fact that after some time, after replacing the motor only, the steering pinion also starts to go out. Therefore, a better solution is to buy a complete set. I did so on allegro you can find a used set for about 350 PLN and after slight negotiations you can get it for less than 300 PLN. I replaced the whole set and since then the problem disappeared and so far everything is fine.
  • #8 15311659
    paskudnytypek
    Level 2  
    Thank you for your answer.
    Maybe right and so it will be as you described , but I would still like to fix it in my own way.
    The car I bought recently in Berlin, one owner, female, well cared for, looks like new, serviced to the very end, mileage 101 thousand km ( original not curly ). In these engines from the power steering is I think intentionally so solved the attachment of these wires winding, after some time they become loose by centrifugal force and begin to slide out of the mounts by which there is interference in the magnetic field. I need to pull the motor out of the maglev , and I can't move it after unscrewing the mounting screws and I don't know if something is holding it from the other side, is there any trick to pull it out hence my question how to do it?
  • #9 15929737
    kossa9
    Level 1  
    Hello, the topic described by you is already old but you can see still relevant. I have the same problem with the power steering locking up. I replaced the controller, it did not help. I'm getting down to disassembling the motor at the column but none of you have described how to remove the foul rotor from the steering wheel. Describe how to do it because I would like to know this before the job. Thank you in advance
  • #10 17538803
    rafalxfiles
    Level 8  
    Hello, the topic is old but will write for other people.

    the engine is held on by only 2 screws. unscrew them and slowly undermine it from several sides.... because the aluminum is baked. this can be done without pulling out the steering pinion... but how to get to the commutator? here is the question.... in my case the brushes have run out....
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  • #11 17544528
    thomas102
    Level 12  
    Was it possible to solve the problem?
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  • #12 17550671
    helazbyś
    Level 16  
    I'll hook up '' , my wife has been driving a 2005 Colt CZ for a while now.The power steering in the parking lot works flawlessly , while on the road it is kind of , ''heavy ''. , something as if holding the steering wheel .To countersteer it to the track , I have to sort of break it off .It is gently held to drive straight .
    Personally in my 2010 Citroen C5 HDI the power steering works all the time equally .
    Do Mitshubishi have it like that or does the power steering go down .?
    Greetings.
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  • #13 17558238
    rafalxfiles
    Level 8  
    In citroen you have hydraulic power steering ?
    This is electric and rather works normally... if such a thing happens then something is wrong... only What...
    resistance is in any particular stone or no difference whether right or left?
  • #14 17558726
    thomas102
    Level 12  
    You have very aptly described the problem. To this I can add an annoying symptom consisting in the fact that every time the track of the car.is disturbed by anything, such as a sewage manhole, etc. the car already continues in the new direction . This is my first car in which at all times.I keep both hands on the wheel ....
  • #15 17559622
    helazbyś
    Level 16  
    rafalxfiles wrote:

    the resistance is in any particular direction or makes no difference whether right or left?

    The slight resistance is in both directions and is only felt at the moment of , "breaking" the steering wheel.
  • #16 17559720
    thomas102
    Level 12  
    Today I ordered a power steering from smart w/ the seller 100 percent working. I'll replace it and let you know
    Analyzing all the cases described on the internet I'm inclined to the thesis that indeed the motor commutator with desoldered windings is to blame. The controller will not detect the fault and the power steering has the right to walk hard
  • #17 17566884
    rafalxfiles
    Level 8  
    In my case the brushes simply ran out.... Colt 2006 year 200 000 km out of which 130 000 my rather driven on medium routes not in the city....
  • #18 17590352
    rafalxfiles
    Level 8  
    Hello,
    The engine can be pulled out without removing the mangle.... unscrew 2 bolts and lever gently on each side.... it has to come out - it goes hard because the alu has welded up....
    Unfortunately, once we pull out the motor it is a lime...
    theoretically it is not repairable... to remove the commutator to get to it you need to either unscrew this worm at the front... and it is welded to the motor axle, or knock out the rotor axle - it can be done but later you do not know if you put it back there and what will be the runout on the motor.... that's why the only cheapest and sensible solution is an Englishman's mangle.... cable extension... or a new (old) mangle...
    As someone would have a broken engine somewhere in the garage I would gladly accept to learn how to repair it.... mine was the first one to go to razor blades already ( I couldn't stand it nervously) and as I have access to a lathe milling machine etc I would take on repairing someone's engine.... if someone had one, I'd be willing to pay for such an engine (there is no guarantee that I'll fix it)....
  • #19 17662165
    Stiwen1
    Level 21  
    Hello Colt VI 1.3 also struggles with this problem of pulling out this engine if anyone has already found the reason how to fix it in my car EPS lights up all the time I changed the driver in another car and it works flawlessly I did a small test at home instead of the power steering motor I ashed the bulb and EPS went out and when turning the steering wheel the bulb was on so everything is also ok. I have a question, someone wrote that from an Englishman fits mangle or someone of my colleagues set up like this and only longer cable needs to be made and maybe someone has the engine itself for sale. Greetings.
  • #20 17732438
    rafalxfiles
    Level 8  
    From an Englishman fits the engine... you buy an English mag, remove the engine itself, extend the cables using the cables from the current engine and enjoy a working power steering.
  • #21 18164889
    MARKSON43
    Level 18  
    I had such a case that it's hard to believe....module of the power steering is under the passenger compartment.And without any problem the passenger if he has long legs can constantly move it because it is not built in and you can see it with the naked eye without unscrewing anything.In my case, simply by this constant pressing slid out the cube going to the engine, which is the two thick wires.A colleague complained that the power steering is there and then there is no, which means that the cube slowly slid down.And the security of the cube is just from the front.Such are the cases:) :)
    After inserting the cube power steering came to life :)
    But that with this power steering were only such problems....in most cases, the engine falls and a lot of work and money.
  • #22 18178634
    GregorWro
    Level 2  
    rafalxfiles which exact cables need to be extended or rearranged I have the same problem.
  • #23 18179322
    radiogaga
    Service technician RTV
    The main cables for the power steering motor.From the Englishman are shorter a tad.
  • #24 18179330
    GregorWro
    Level 2  
    Our steering wheel goes right and left by itself what needs to be done to make it work properly
  • #25 18179944
    radiogaga
    Service technician RTV
    First, diagnose.Especially the parameters of the torque sensor.Second, remove the detected fault.
  • #26 18342623
    jacobee
    Level 1  
    Hello, I will join the topic.
    I have a problem with the power steering:
    Colt 1.1 gasoline from 2012.
    The power steering generally works only:
    When I put the key in the ignition and immediately start it is all ok, the power steering works the EPS light goes off and you can drive normally.
    When I turn the key to the ignition position II and wait a few seconds and then start the engine, the EPS light does not go off and the power steering does not work and the tachometer does not work either.
    The service center wants to replace the transmission right away, I will start by replacing the module I ordered and we will see.
    I am asking because maybe someone had a similar case.
  • #27 18754611
    arturo710
    Level 11  
    Listen, where can I buy a motor for this mangle? Or the whole mangle from english cheap? I'm looking everywhere, there are only maglocks for more than 1k PLN used. :-( .
  • #28 18834282
    thomas102
    Level 12  
    Some time has passed... Colt is no more, but I will nevertheless remember it fondly.... As for the power steering, before you even start replacements, it is worth looking at the steering wheel position sensor. It is under the steering wheel , which should be removed. In my case he was the culprit. And I replaced everything.... Finally this sensor from Allegro for 40 zl used .

    Greetings.
  • #29 18834637
    arturo710
    Level 11  
    :arrow: thomas102
    Are there any way to diagnose this sensor before replacing it?
    P.S..: By the way, this Colt is a bit of a "typhoid" in repairs :-(

    Added after 29 [minutes]:

    :arrow: thomas102
    Is the steering wheel position sensor together with the cushion belt retractor? Is it the part in the picture?
    2005 Colt CZ 1.3 95HP Engine Steering Wheel Locking Up & Hardening Issues: Seeking Solutions
  • #30 18834715
    thomas102
    Level 12  
    Unfortunately, it is probably impossible to diagnose. But it is disassembled as a separate part o replacement is trivial

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around issues with the steering system of a 2005 Colt CZ equipped with a 1.3 95HP engine. Users report problems with the electric power steering (EPS) locking up intermittently while driving, particularly when turning or driving straight. Common symptoms include difficulty in steering, trembling of the steering wheel, and the EPS warning light activating. Various users suggest potential causes, including faulty wiring in the motor rotor, issues with the power steering control module, and the need to replace the entire steering pinion along with the motor for a comprehensive fix. Some users have successfully resolved the issue by replacing the motor or the complete steering assembly, while others are seeking advice on how to disassemble the motor for repairs. The conversation highlights the importance of diagnosing the steering wheel position sensor and the potential for loose connections affecting the EPS functionality.
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