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  • #1 14893404
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #2 14893438
    DJ_Dexinter
    Level 27  
    I noticed stickers on the distributors saying "refueling allowed only to certified canisters" - maybe it was internal regulations of a given station network (I was filling up on the one with an eagle). Now, when you buy a canister, it is not possible to determine which has the certificate and which does not, because they differ only in the embossing on the bottom (stamped legalization number if I am not mistaken).
    Another dead recipe to punish for.


    prosiaczekmalaryczny wrote:
    If previously there was a flammable liquid in the container, I do not understand why it could not be there for the second time.

    If eternite was once placed on roofs, why not now? - a similar answer.

    EDIT
    Canisters, unlike 5-liter containers, are made with the addition of materials that reduce static electricity. You go, you touch your pants with a pot, it's already electrifying.
  • #3 14893451
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #4 14893487
    DJ_Dexinter
    Level 27  
    prosiaczekmalaryczny wrote:
    After all, I could take this liter bottle (from the scythe) to the petrol station and then everything would be fine? Maybe not?


    I suspect that this requirement is only to purchase these canisters and not refuel the soda bottles (I've seen things like that too :D ). In addition, according to the Central Office of Measures, the measured amount of fuel must not be less than 2dm3

    After all, focusing on the recipe (if applicable), the matter with your liter canister is comparable to driving a car with the steering wheel on the right.

    If in the times when it was not possible to drive a car with the steering wheel on the right side in Poland, was it possible to drive the car in Poland if the car was produced before the ban was introduced?
    Of course not. The law covers all "english" made before and during the ban. Covers all items from the entry into force of the provision.
    PS.
    I know, I know, since this year you can drive such a car on Polish roads.
  • #5 14893611
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    Is there a legal basis on the card?
    If there is none, it is a wish card.

    There is no regulation that would require a private user to use an approved canister, and no service station may impose such requirements.
    If it refuses to sell - you can support art. 135 KW The seller may not refuse to sell the goods, unless the sale would be unlawful or there is a legitimate reason why the customer cannot sell the goods. The seller is personally responsible for not selling the goods and must also prove that the reason for the refusal is justified.
    In this case, he cannot rely on any illegal provisions or his own convictions.

    IMHO is just a kind of "bogey". What if someone gets scared and buys a "certified canister" at the station? Always a few pennies fall.
    Also, you can always enter the station and ask for the legal basis for such a reminder and the amount of the fine. The fine cannot be taken from the ceiling.
  • #6 14893646
    tomek122
    Level 22  
    Haven't you thought that gasoline could dissolve some plastics?
  • #7 14893671
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Madrik wrote:


    There is no regulation that would require a private user to use an approved canister, and no service station may impose such requirements.
    If it refuses to sell - you can support art. 135 KW The seller may not refuse to sell the goods, unless the sale would be unlawful or there is a legitimate reason why the customer cannot sell the goods. The seller is personally responsible for not selling the goods and must also prove that the reason for the refusal is justified.
    In this case, he cannot rely on any illegal provisions or his own convictions.
    Don't rush too much. Fire safety requirements among others. There was already this topic on forms that was discussed before. For the refusal to sell fuel in bulk, will you also ask for a legal basis?
  • #8 14893756
    MACIEK_M
    Level 29  
    Quote:
    to a five-liter canister, identical to the "Ludwik" dishwashing liquid, or I don't know, to the wall primer, because they are all identical; however, it had the label "extraction naphtha" on it, and this was also the liquid in it before


    Can solvent factories pour solvents (petroleum ether, xylene, etc.) into unapproved containers?

    Maybe they can?

    The key question is how to distinguish attested from non-attested.
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  • #9 14893773
    MariuszX49
    Level 21  
    During the training of one of the leading fuel distributors (a foreign concern), the speaker showed a film how such a "canister" of distilled water can become electrified and when the gun is pulled out, the vapors and the rebuilding station ignite :-) the basis is if we have to put such a container on the ground and then refuel.
  • #10 14893793
    _PREDATOR_

    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    Er, I'm refueling a beer barrel (5l), while buying an afterburner (0.5l beer) - whole wolf and sheep :D .
  • #11 14894063
    Tommy82
    Level 41  
    He lives in the world shorter than some of his colleagues, but problems with pouring fuel into anything else like a tank or a can (once made of metal) were always, as I remember, it has a source somewhere.
    @ MariuszX49

    Only that first you put the gun in the bottle and then you give the fuel, the potential will calmly be leveled. Anyway, there are no requirements as to clothing when refueling, and it can get electrified like an old picture tube.
  • #12 14894100
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    robokop wrote:
    For the refusal to sell fuel in bulk, will you also ask for a legal basis?
    All fuel supplied from the dispenser is sold loose, not packaged :)
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  • #13 14894126
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    robokop wrote:
    Don't rush too much. Fire safety requirements among others.


    They do not apply to private individuals with amounts less than 60 liters. In Poland, it is allowed to carry up to 20 liters of fuel in a refillable container in a car. It doesn't say anywhere that it must be an approved canister.
    Yes - there is a legal basis for everything. And if it is not there, then you can. The PRL ended some time ago. If something is not forbidden or not regulated, it is allowed at one's own discretion.

    This is called freedom, and everyone takes the risk and suffers the consequences.
    In this case, the seller makes a request that exceeds the provisions of the regulations.
    Especially that the only "certificate" that is suitable for small capacity fuel canisters is the one marked with the letters "CE". I do not see anything else in trade.

    At the same time, it is clearly stated in the directive that the CE certificate is not required for packaging.

    The canister is the packaging. On what basis is an approval requested for it?
    At the same time, I would like to remind you that the certificate is not the same as the CE certificate.
    So what is this certificate to be?
  • #14 14895129
    vodiczka
    Level 43  
    Madrik wrote:
    Yes - there is a legal basis for everything
    Madrik wrote:
    They do not apply to private individuals with amounts less than 60 liters.

    Can I ask for the legal basis of your statement?
  • #15 14895223
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    A colleague has a slightly distorted understanding of reality. In fact, who and on what basis forbids smoking a cigarette while refueling or refueling a car with a visibly defective installation or the lack of a technical examination?
    Interpretation of Article 135 of the
    Quote:
    Who, when dealing with the sale of goods in a retail or catering enterprise, hides the goods intended for sale from the buyer or intentionally without due cause refuses to sell such goods,
    is subject to a fine.
    also slightly detached from reality - the recipe comes from the times of deep communism.
    A bit about it is here - http://www.cossw.pl/file/redir.php?id=5836
    Quote:

    5)
    store liquids with a flash point below 328.15 K (55 ° C) only in
    containers, devices and installations adapted for this purpose, made of co. materials
    the least difficult to ignite, discharging static electricity,
    equipped with
    tight closures and protected against breakage.

    And you already have the legal basis that the owner of the station does not want you to have gasoline in cucumber jars on his premises.
  • #16 14895271
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    robokop wrote:
    In fact, who and on what basis forbids smoking a cigarette while refueling or refueling a car with a visibly defective installation or the lack of a technical examination?

    Such times, there must be a legal regulation for everything. It is not necessary to use common sense, since the law does not require it ... :|

    I am surprised that there is no regulation yet to make sure after refueling the vehicle (apart from the canisters) that the tip of the nozzle has been removed from the filler and put back in the right place. :D
  • #17 14895509
    MACIEK_M
    Level 29  
    Quote:
    Such a bad time that there must be a legal regulation for everything. It is not necessary to use common sense, since the law does not require it ... Neutral


    There must be a legal regulation for everything, since common sense is not used :D
  • #18 14896293
    glazikx
    Level 12  
    I used to work at an eagle gas station and there were also such requirements there. Just internal rules. According to him, if we notice such action, we have the right to take away the customer's fuel tank and recycle it. However, we were just telling the others not to refuel into soda bottles because it was already overkill
  • #19 14896389
    robokop
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    And people are different - mindless, unpredictable, and they are always not to blame. I once read an article about a woman suing a motorhome manufacturer for causing an accident. Driving on the highway, she turned on the "autopilot" (cruise control) and went to the packet to make a cup of tea ...
    And I myself witnessed how a guy in a burning car drove to a gas station in order to seek help.
  • #20 14896618
    Madrik
    moderator of Robotics
    robokop wrote:

    And I myself witnessed how a guy in a burning car drove to a gas station in order to seek help.


    It's just not that stupid. There is much better fire-fighting equipment at the station than the driver has at his disposal. So he would handle a fire faster than waiting for the guards.
    And only in American films the station explodes with just any cigarette.
    The tanks are sealed and underground. The dispensers have a fuel cut-off. So it's not that easy to set a station on fire.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around the legality and safety of refueling gasoline into non-certified plastic canisters, such as those previously used for dishwashing liquid or wall primer. Participants express confusion over the necessity of using certified containers, citing a lack of clear regulations for private users and questioning the enforcement of penalties for non-compliance. Concerns are raised about the potential for gasoline to dissolve certain plastics and the risks of static electricity during refueling. Some contributors mention internal regulations at gas stations that prohibit refueling into unapproved containers, while others argue that there is no legal basis for such restrictions. The conversation highlights the balance between safety regulations and practical usage of containers for fuel storage.
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