SSD Disk Defragmentation is it a myth that it is not allowed?

I have automatic defragmentation of disks turned on in win 10. And I did not even know that the system gave me the SSD drive C (where is the system) but it was unchecked (reserved by the system, it was unchecked in the system) and I have a question if this shortens the life of the disk or it can break because of this SSD I read various columns and most write that this is a myth because the new drives are resistant and should not be turned off in windows?

quote from a column: "Of course, individual parts of the file on the disk may be fragmented and in the case of SSDs it will not drastically affect performance, but this fragmentation has its limits determined by metadata. When the maximum is reached, further attempts to write the file will cause errors. Defragmentation is so necessary to reduce the number of fragments and also keep the filesystem consistent "

For logic - defragmentation in the case of twisted algorithms used for this often repeatedly reading and writing files. It doesn't "corrupt" the disk, it consumes it. In SDD, access to the entire "surface" is equally fast. It doesn't really matter where the files are saved and in how many parts up to the aforementioned limit.
In my opinion - defragmentation does not make sense. How do I know life when it is necessary win10 will do it anyway, regardless of the will of the user. After all, this system has a life of its own.

I accidentally defragmented because I had the regular HDD marked in the system. Once today it only happened to me. Will SDD slow down after defragmentation and will it work the same as before?
It consumes the so-called How many% could use my disk as I did it once, defragmentation did not last longer than 5 seconds?

As much as installing one game or copying a movie, or updating the system ... How many read operations could he do in 5s? Several megabytes of data had been shoved through. Don't panic ... Defragmentation doesn't cut the disk. In fact, it could be and be active, but why if after defragmentation and before it works the same? After a long time, you will probably notice that the system with defragmentation turned on "consumes" the disk up to several% faster.

All I have is a system and minor programs like daemon, winrar (no heavy), no games. I have a normal HDD for games, so there is only the system and when you write updates, I do not record anything there and do not delete it

It's not exactly nothing. The truth is, the system is constantly reading and writing files. But that's why you just bought an SSD so that the system works quickly and efficiently. Don't worry about wear and tear to such an extreme degree, nothing is forever. It's just about not making nonsense. And the fact that you even install the game there ... Nothing bad will happen. You just have to judge if you want it. And so for each program. If you use something very often, you will run it faster with SSD (e.g. browser). That's what you got it for. Not that it only was and was of no use. HDD wears out too and eventually dies too.

How do I enter the defragmenter and the options to change the disk, in addition to the SSD C drive (system) and regular HDD E, I still have a selection of the volume of the partition (without a letter) "reserved by the system", what is it for, I have unmarked it so that the system does not defragment it?

I don't want to hit my face and I don't remember what it's called. Windows from version 7 seems to create such a small partition during installation. He keeps his treasures there . Nothing to worry about.

spinacz66 wrote:

How do I enter the defragmenter and the options to change the disk, in addition to the SSD C drive (system) and regular HDD E, I still have a selection of the volume of the partition (without a letter) "reserved by the system", what is it for, I have unmarked it so that the system does not defragment it?

This is typically 100 MB reserved for the boot partition to the system.

spinacz66 wrote:

in addition to the SSD C drive (system) and the regular HDD E, I also have a selection of the partition volume (without a letter) "reserved by the system", what is it for, unmarked so that the system does not defragment it?

This partition has a bootloader, if you have an SSD system then this partition is probably also SSD. Regardless of which disk it is located on, there is no need to defragment it.

One more thing whether to uncheck SDD in the automatic defragmentation schedule so that it does not use up the disk faster?

Basically, an SSD does not need to be defragmented [even some manufacturers have recommended not to defragment.] In the case of SSDs, fragmentation will not have a particularly negative impact on performance.
However, the file system - Metadata and MFT that is defragmented - may sometimes require it - e.g. conclusion - http://www.hanselman.com/blog/TheRealAndCompleteStoryDoesWindowsDefragmentYourSSD.aspx

spinacz66 wrote:

whether to uncheck SDD in the automatic defragmentation schedule

Personally, I would run \ run it manually from time to time.
The screen shows% fragmentation on SSD Metadata, MTF or swap file [I have a constant fragmentation of 0%]

On another forum I was told that file fragmentation on SSD affects performance, is that true?

Can the system slow down after SSD defragmentation (loading, reading)?
Or is it reading or writing large files?

paperclip66 do you understand generally what is disk fragmentation? I have the impression that you are asking, but you do not know the basic concepts. You use the word "efficiency" all the time, it is a magic parameter that sellers use to sell more expensive goods, otherwise of little use.

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On another forum I was told that file fragmentation on SSD affects performance, is that true?

Affects how? If anyway, it is negative at best

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Can the system slow down after SSD defragmentation (loading, reading)?
Or is it reading or writing large files?

Immediately after defragmentation, it can only accelerate imperceptibly. In the long run, frequent and unnecessary defragmentations will slowly but successively wear out the disk. This will shorten his life, will not affect his performance.


I suggest starting your search for knowledge, however, from scratch. Read how an HDD works (how it is built, how data is saved, what mechanics it has), then read how an SSD is built. You will discover the strengths and weaknesses of the structure. Compare such parameters as transfer, random data access time. Then look for what file fragmentation is. If you understand it, you will stop thrashing, because now you are reading opinions on the forums but you do not understand them.

http://www.pcworld.pl/news/383428/Dyski.SSD. Optalne.konfigurowanie.i.uzytkuje.html
Read on. Especially point 6.
Install yourself the program: SSD Fresh. It will show you what you have turned on and what is harmful to the SSD.
Each write of a cell shortens its life (reading no). In the case of SSD disks, the access time is so short (compared to regular HDDs) that defragmentation does not make sense. Each defragmentation shortens the lifetime of the disk. But also let's not get paranoid. In normal use, the drive will last a long time. Before that, you will change the computer to a "better model".

And it is not sometimes the case that Windows 10 does not defragment the SSD drive, only optimization, i.e. it is nothing else than sending a Trim command?

spinacz66 wrote:

All I have is a system and minor programs like daemon, winrar (no heavy), no games. I have a normal HDD for games ...

This is what I had when I had a 64GB SSD. After switching to 128 GB, I keep all the programs on it, the difference when starting "big" games like WoT, WoWs - huge.

As for lifetime - SSDs have cells that can withstand a certain number of erases and writes. Therefore, each redundant entry is a very small, but still shorten life.

As for the need to defragment SSDs, it is debatable. The drive has access to every memory area, so there will be no slowing down of work with fragmented files as in the HDD. However, a curiosity - Perfectdisk was shown here. In the newer version (and certainly in 12.5) it has an SSD optimization option. However, I have no idea what defragmentation algorithms are - it's definitely not the same as in HDD.

necavi wrote:

This is what I had when I had a 64GB SSD. After switching to 128 GB, I keep all the programs on it, the difference when starting "big" games like WoT, WoWs - huge.

This is a gaming machine only assembled last year, I have two computers to work with, so I do not have to load unnecessary ballast there. The fact is that I have a few games on SSD, but this is not a huge difference for me when loading levels, otherwise the system loads a few seconds here, and on an ordinary one, it took about 1min and 30s.

Windows 10 (I do not know about previous versions) automatically detects SSDs and the system disk defragmenter does not even allow to analyze the disk fragmentation, only optimization is possible that probably sends a trim command to the disk. Do not defragment the SSD as it reduces its lifespan.

Frequent defragmentation doesn't make much sense and can shorten SSD lifespan.
Some defragmentation programs offer special SSD defragmentation algorithms.

Unfortunately, it is impossible to completely ignore the problems related to NTFS (unfortunately this system is not immune to file fragmentation).

Defragmentation on SSD should be run once a week for files over 100 fragments, unless they are larger than 1 GB then you have to accept it.
As if about fragmentation, I recommend Deflaggler -> in it, first click "analysis" then "file list" and select these according to the above guidelines and click "defragment selected". It does not defragment unnecessary files and takes a very short time, about 10 seconds.

What program can you check the life of an ssd and do such programs have to be installed on the ssd or can they be on another disk?

SSD-Z. This will check the disk.

A colleague will tell you in which tab to look for and what will be the name of this lifetime?

In the SMART tab. Download SSD Life. There it will show you how much (theoretically) the disk will still work. http://ssd-life.com/eng/download-ssdlife.html

filipmagik wrote:

Defragmentation on SSD should be run once a week for files over 100 fragments, unless they are larger than 1 GB then you have to accept it.
As if about fragmentation, I recommend Deflaggler -> in it, first click "analysis" then "file list" and select these according to the above guidelines and click "defragment selected". It does not defragment unnecessary files and takes a very short time, about 10 seconds.

Now write which controller and SSD will allow you to divide the file into 100 or more chunks There are no such.

Defragmentation on SSD is unnecessary. Anyway, in newer systems this option is called "defgrament i." optimization ", and has nothing to do with defragmentation as understood on the HDD, i.e. the physical transfer of data ...
(almost always it comes down to running the Trim command).

I understand that in win10 I did not defragment but optimization?
Because when I enter, I am writing 3 days from the last start and in an ordinary HDD, otherwise defragmentation 0%

Exactly

And does this optimization, like defragmentation, shorten the life of the disk?