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Diameter / cross-section - What is the diameter of the LGY conductor.

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  • #1 15315792
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #2 15315821
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Patterns are correct.
    S = ?r? can also be used
  • #3 15315836
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    But it will still be approximate, because a line with thin wires will have a different outer diameter, and a different diameter with just a few thick wires.
  • #4 15315867
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    I understand what my colleague is talking about, but here the actual size of the conductor cross-section in this (thin wires) or in the second case is not so important from the electrician's point of view.
    A difference of the order of 1 mm?, for example, has no significant effect on large cross-sections.
    It is advisable to read here the so-called skin effect of the current flow.
  • #5 15315889
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    elpapiotr wrote:
    I understand what my colleague is talking about, but here the actual size of the conductor cross-section in this (thin wires) or in the second case is not so important from the electrician's point of view.
    A difference of the order of 1 mm?, for example, has no significant effect on large cross-sections.
    It is advisable to read here the so-called skin effect of the current flow.
    I just want to point out that you cannot be sure of the conductor cross-section by measuring its diameters. I have used a comb to measure the cross section of wires. I do not remember the span (from - to), but by inserting the wire into the appropriate slot, you could read its cross-section, e.g. 1.5mm2 or 2.5mm2. And there were different cables, with different play in a specific slot, and labeled with the same cross-section on the manufacturer's label.
  • #6 15315932
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    Probably a friend means such a "comb" -

    Diameter / cross-section - What is the diameter of the LGY conductor.
  • #7 15315934
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #8 15315947
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    15kVmaciej wrote:
    elpapiotr wrote:

    It is advisable to read here the so-called skin effect of the current flow.

    For the frequency of 50Hz?

    It has an impact too, doesn't it?
  • #9 15315963
    awow
    Level 12  
    Where can you buy such a "comb"?
  • #10 15315968
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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  • #11 15315989
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    I do not know such a standard, and the differences in the diameter of the conductor with such a cross-section will be in tenths of a mm, so not very noticeable.

    Added after 4 [minutes]:

    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    it does not work with strings for single strands only
    because as I wrote in # 3
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  • #12 15316011
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #13 15316014
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    By following the topic further. LGY 1X25 wires can be with thin and thick wires or are they all the same?

    And shouldn't it be the case that the total diameter includes the total cross-section?
  • #14 15316056
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #15 15316072
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    Then measure the diameter of the cable you have, and then order the tip. By the way, you'll either use a press or solder the tip, so a little slack will be lost.
  • #16 15316080
    elpapiotr
    Electrician specialist
    stanislaw1954 wrote:
    Then measure the diameter of the cable you have, and then order the tip. By the way, you'll either use a press or solder the tip, so a little slack will be lost.

    It is better to let it go with this soldering.
    Pressing recommended.
  • #17 15316093
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
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    #18 15316190
    hazet
    Level 26  
    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    How to convert the cross-section of a conductor of bare copper (stranded) LGY 1x25mm? and 1x16mm? into diameter in mm. There are some tables or ordinary geometry for this. Will these patterns be correct for stranded wires. Diameter / cross-section - What is the diameter of the LGY conductor.


    The patterns you give are true for single wire only. Cross-section in the line
    total is the sum of the cross-sections of individual wires. However, the diameter is also influenced by the size of the space between the individual wires. Black in the picture
    Diameter / cross-section - What is the diameter of the LGY conductor.
    The size of this space depends on the way of weaving the wires that a given producer chooses. Therefore, diameters cannot be calculated uniquely, only measured.
    As for the method of connecting the tip with the wire, the best solution is to crimp it while soldering and additionally pull a heat-shrinkable sleeve over the tip tube.
  • #19 15316204
    zbich70
    Level 43  
    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    And the oxidation of copper. However, when soldering, the wire - tip tube contact is permanently secured and the contact is concrete.

    You can never be sure that the solder is completely distributed inside the tip.
    Press the end, before pressing, put on the heat-shrinkable tubing and shrink it after pressing.

    Let me tell you that electricians performing such works have various tips of different sizes in their tool bags. Sometimes the "rated" terminal does not fit the cable and you need to use a "mesh" larger.
    Sometimes you have to press with smaller dies and not press to the end.

    This is what the experience in the industry is all about.
    You cannot measure experiences with a caliper ... :D
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  • #20 15316281
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    And the oxidation of copper. However, when soldering, the wire - tip tube contact is permanently secured and the contact is concrete.


    Do not delude yourself. And stop believing in fairy tales.
  • #21 15316578
    CYRUS2
    Level 43  
    hazet wrote:
    The total cross-section in the string is the sum of the cross-sections of individual wires. However, the diameter is also influenced by the size of the space between the individual wires.
    Buddy Hazet.
    Read the quote with understanding.
    elpapiotr wrote:
    A difference of the order of 1 mm?, for example, has no significant effect on large cross-sections.
    Friend Hazet, The student wants to distinguish whether it is "16" or "25", is not the cable manufacturer.
    Only clenching - if the Student's colleague can do it.
    The right ending + the right tool + teacher + practitioner.
    Practice and skills play a key role in the energy sector.
  • #22 15316582
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #23 15316607
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    15kVmaciej wrote:
    Maybe fairy tales. It depends on what currents and what environment.


    And a lot of such "depends".
    Of course, it is true that it "can" be well soldered. However, you have to keep so many different "depends" that the student can put it between fairy tales.
    What i wrote.
  • #24 15316704
    stanislaw1954
    Level 43  
    Both working with the press and soldering have to be learned sometime. You just have to try. Maybe it won't work the first time, and you can start with thinner, much easier sections, and less demanding, because loaded with less current.
  • #25 15317033
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #26 15317233
    retrofood
    VIP Meritorious for electroda.pl
    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:

    I feel a bit cynic in this suggestion that as a crimper it is only available for
    professionals with a very thick wallet.


    I don't understand at all where cynicism is. I just wanted to make a statement that the Praga is a suitable tool even for inexperienced hands, while proper soldering is not easy even on a laboratory table, let alone in the field. With this technology, you must have experience, appropriate tools and auxiliary materials. In addition, you should know the technology of manufacturing, what materials are soldered with, so this is not a topic for students.
    And this is your nickname, so what's the offense?
  • #27 15317246
    Anonymous
    Anonymous  
  • #28 15317282
    Krzysztof Reszka
    Moderator of Electrical engineering
    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    Well, it is not so for hobby work

    NOWY_UCZEŃ wrote:
    about 70V DC but high currents.

    High currents are probably not a hobby anymore, and Praga for PLN 150 to 300 mm2 is probably a laugh in broad daylight.
  • #29 15317443
    hazet
    Level 26  
    Apparently, my friend did not have it in his hand, and only suggests the price. It's a good crimper for the price. In workshop conditions, you can clamp in a vice using appropriately shaped dies.


    Moderated By Łukasz-O:

    3.1.2-3.1.3. Do not use multiple forum accounts. This action confuses users and causes statistics to be incorrectly presented.
    I'm blocking hazet and NEW_UCZEŃ accounts for clarification.

  • #30 15317550
    Łukasz-O
    Admin of electroenergetics
    I am forced to close the topic. I think the user NEW STUDENT and hazet guess why.
    After thoroughly analyzing the posts of both men, I came to the conclusion that from 2013. a strange and repeated procedure continues. Namely, alternately sharing their topics, giving away "He helped" is also noticeable. Not to mention the identical IP.

Topic summary

The discussion revolves around converting the cross-section of stranded LGY conductors (1x25mm and 1x16mm) into diameter measurements. Participants confirm that while conversion patterns are generally correct, they may only provide approximate values due to variations in wire thickness and construction. The importance of the skin effect in current flow is noted, and it is emphasized that measuring the actual diameter is more reliable than relying solely on cross-section tables. The conversation also touches on the challenges of selecting appropriate connectors for these wires, with recommendations for crimping and soldering techniques, as well as the necessity of using heat-shrinkable tubing for secure connections. The variability in diameters among different manufacturers is highlighted, suggesting that LGY designations may not be standardized across the board.
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