Temporarily Disconnecting Smoke Detector for Stage Lighting Effects in Kindergarten

Hello, I am asking as a complete layman - as parents in kindergarten we plan to install stage lighting - a perfect element to diversify the lighting effects is a smoke generator - and here there is a problem - a smoke detector installed on the ceiling - the detector is connected to the system that is called by the fire brigade.
Here is my question - how can a detector located in the room be temporarily disconnected from the entire system? as if it would be the cost of making a "switch" that cuts off the detector and turns off the detector squealing. Are such solutions practiced?
I will be very grateful for the hint on this topic. (could anyone from Warsaw who could do it?)

full_metal_jacket wrote:

And then someone forgets to turn on the detector, a fire breaks out, the children are burned alive

And the guardian will be drunk in three asses asleep under the fence? and no one will bring the children out.

Over-zealousness is worse than fascism and should be punished. You're exaggerating.

It is enough to cover the detector with a plastic bag as above and do not worry about such opinions.

Moderated By suworow:

For a nonchalant approach to security, a colleague is awarded a warning.

Thanks for the hint with the packaging, but it's about a more "professional" solution that the management will accept for example, a timer for 2 hours?
This is a detector in the middle of the gym, children are in the rooms on the ground floor, so you can always evacuate through the window ;)

Moderated By suworow:

I suggest designing escape routes, however, to professionals.

But the bag solution is professional Everyone does it.
It can be done beautifully and almost imperceptibly.

Moderated By suworow:

As above

Any sticking or other obstruction of the fire detectors is not an option. Any temporary shutdown of the fire protection system should be carried out in agreement with the Fire Brigade and the person responsible for facility management.
The question is what type of smoke generator and on what principle of operation you want to use.
In my opinion, this should be consulted with the person supervising the fire protection installations and with the fire brigade.

The fact that everyone does it does not mean that putting a plastic bag on the detector is professional, although it is used only temporarily.
A switch for a given detector also cannot be installed, you can turn off the entire loop in the fire control panel, but without a system service technician you will not be able to do it.

In one sentence, CANNOT. Let preschoolers imagine the smoke. Or let them imagine the whole show.
Don't you get the impression that you are exaggerating a bit? After all, smoke machines are always used in rooms full of people and somehow it works.
Report to the operator of the fire panel and disable the detector. You can't do it on your own. Well, unless a plastic bag or "gum".

The first question is, what is the point of fogging the room in such a way that the detector would work? After all, the end of the nose will not be visible. For another steam from the fuming machine, it is less effective at the optical sensor than by the combustion products. But for the wolf to be full and the sheep in full, you need to inform the guards about the experiment being carried out and smoke the room to the required level, possibly canceling the alarm. Also remember about possible coincidences, a party, smoke from the machine and a fire to match. With the sensor off and the room steamed up, no one will notice any smoke that some mummy will say that the smoke is a bad idea because it is burning terribly. Tragedies usually arise through a combination of several seemingly unrelated circumstances.
Now I earn a warning, but if you have to figure it out, hang a small fan next to the detector. It will greatly reduce the sensitivity.

kortyleski wrote:

The first question is, what is the point of fogging the room in such a way that the detector would work? After all, the end of the nose will not be visible. For another steam from the fuming machine, it is less effective at the optical sensor than by the combustion products. But for the wolf to be full and the sheep in their entirety, you need to inform the guards about the experiment being carried out and smoke the room to the required level, possibly canceling the alarm.

There is no place for experiments here, rather, you should read the technical documentation of the detectors, the best way to ask is to the manufacturer.

There is no need to consult and agree with the SAP system explorer.
One of the technical solutions is to replace the smoke detector with a dual one or a temperature one. Perhaps it is already dual or temperature.
Enter what the control panel is and what the detector is, Model, type.

riddyk wrote:

Enter what the control panel is and what the detector is, Model, type.

After all, the author of the thread is a parent, he has no knowledge, and even less appropriate qualifications, to rummage in the fire protection system.

15kVmaciej wrote:

besides, the first fast is either a provocation or a provocation. The machines do not call the services.

How can the author know about it (if not provocation). A lot of people not dealing with a given topic have their own imaginary knowledge.
But that's not the problem here. It is us who should filter the data in this case.

15kVmaciej wrote:

The machines do not call the services.

And yes, they do. The control panel may have an automatic fire brigade call function implemented. Nevertheless, it is always possible to block this signal (the alarm signaled by the detector may be false and should be verified by the cantral staff)

And someone thought about the composition of this "smoke"?
After all, all generators produce fog, not smoke.
Otherwise people would trip.

Try to blow into the detector from the e-cigarette.

15kVmaciej wrote:

The machines do not call the services

Tell this to the chick who had to pay 5k PLN for the guard's arrival when he sweetly kimał on duty

And approach the matter "from behind" and replace the smoke generators with an ultrasonic humidifier, one that generates fog. There is a "smoke" effect on the stage and the detector should not react to it.

I suggest temporarily refrain from discussing because the subject begins to evaporate in smoke. And our author fell silent.

kramos wrote:

Hello, I am asking as a complete layman - as parents in kindergarten we plan to install stage lighting - a perfect element to diversify the lighting effects is a smoke generator - and here there is a problem - a smoke detector installed on the ceiling - the detector is connected to the system that is called by the fire brigade.
Here is my question - how can a detector located in the room be temporarily disconnected from the entire system? as if it would be the cost of making a "switch" that cuts off the detector and turns off the detector squealing. Are such solutions practiced?
I will be very grateful for the hint on this topic. (could anyone from Warsaw who could do it?)

No problem. Look for the sensor for the actual "smoke" and not for the steam. They exist.