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Understanding Cylinder Compression in Engines: Calculating Pressure Based on Compression Ratio

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  • #1 15599560
    Damian99PL
    Level 10  
    Compression ratio and compression.
    Hello.
    I have a question. I wonder how do you know what compression on the cylinders should the engine have if the compression ratio is given?
    I've read a lot about it on the internet and I haven't really found a meaningful answer. A lot of people think that when the compression ratio is 11: 1, the factory engine was 11 bar on the cylinder. There were quite a few such responses. Of course, there were also those who disagreed with it and wrote that they have a compression ratio of 10 with the hook: 1 and after measuring the compression, they have 14 with a piece on each cylinder.
    On mondeoklubpolska I found some formula to calculate the nominal compression:
    compression ratio x 0.125 = pressure in MPa

    1MPa = 10bar

    Can someone explain it to me?
    I would be grateful. greetings :)
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  • #2 15599624
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    The compression ratio is the ratio of the volume of the combustion chamber to the sum of the volume of the combustion chamber and the volume of the cylinder above the piston in its lower position.
    The compression pressure is the pressure that the piston builds up in the combustion chamber at the end of the compression stroke.

    This is quite clearly explained here.

    http://zssplus.pl/publikacje/publikacje37.htm

    There is no universal and accurate formula for converting these two quantities. The conversion rates given are an average and approximation only.
  • #3 18133859
    robo1973
    Level 15  
    If the motorcycle has 4 pistons that work two at the same time and each of them is, for example, 5 bar, do we add up the pressure? Does what came out of the above formula apply to one cylinder?
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  • #4 18133965
    kkknc
    Level 43  
    It means the engine is scrap. You don't add up anything.
  • #5 18134023
    andrzejsdl
    Level 15  
    You would have to do an oil test because it will explain a lot.
  • #6 18134108
    tzok
    Moderator of Cars
    robo1973 wrote:
    If the motorcycle has 4 pistons that work two at the same time and each of them is, for example, 5 bar, do we add up the pressure? Does what came out of the above formula apply to one cylinder?
    In a 4 cylinder 4 stroke the pistons usually move in pairs, but when one of the pairs has a compression stroke, the other has the exhaust stroke ...
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  • #7 18142348
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #8 18142356
    4495redberet
    Level 28  
    The nn oil test will give some idea of what is weak.
    If the compression jumps after the oil, you have problems with the "bottom".
    If nothing changes, the head "up".
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  • #9 18142390
    andrzejsdl
    Level 15  
    4495redberet wrote:
    The nn oil test will give some idea of what is weak.
    If the compression jumps after the oil, you have problems with the "bottom".
    If nothing changes, the head "up".

    That's what I meant.
  • #10 18142392
    SKM 1964
    Level 34  
    This formula has nothing to do with compression and compression.
    What about diesel engines ??
    I will give an example, compression ratio 17, measured pressure 29-31 bar. :|
  • #11 18142403
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #12 18142429
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #13 18142474
    4495redberet
    Level 28  
    I guess too much sun lately.
  • #14 18142585
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #15 18142611
    4495redberet
    Level 28  
    Man, this is only a temporary improvement.
    If you have weak rings, for a few turns of the shaft it is enough to raise the compression.
    If the valves are bent / bent, there is no chance of increasing the compression, and certainly not to the same extent as on the rings.
    Also from experience.
  • #16 18142636
    Anonymous
    Level 1  
  • #17 18142697
    4495redberet
    Level 28  
    These were not pre-made guides, but they were not there.
    Anyway, this is only a rehearsal. The rest is verified organoleptically.

Topic summary

The discussion centers on understanding the relationship between cylinder compression and compression ratio in engines. The compression ratio is defined as the ratio of the combustion chamber volume to the total volume when the piston is at its lowest position. Compression pressure is the pressure achieved in the combustion chamber at the end of the compression stroke. There is no universal formula for converting compression ratio to compression pressure; the provided formula (compression ratio x 0.125 = pressure in MPa) is an approximation and may not apply universally, especially for diesel engines. Various responses highlight the importance of conducting oil tests to diagnose engine issues, such as weak piston rings or valve problems, which can affect compression readings. The discussion also touches on the complexities of measuring compression in multi-cylinder engines and the need for proper testing conditions.
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