Evaluating Blyss 12K BTU Portable Air Conditioner from Castorama for 12m2 Room

Ladies and gentlemen,

I'm going to buy this air conditioner:
http://www.castorama.pl/produkty/instalacja/w...zenosny-z-grzaniem-blyss-12k-btu.html#product

I know all the pros and cons of general information on portable air conditioners, but unfortunately I have no other choice. I have a built-in balcony and the community does not issue permits for installation on the facade.

Coming back to the topic - I need to cool a 12m2 room with a TV and 2 computers. The room connects to the 4m2 kitchen with no door. The room is also connected with a built-up balcony of 2.5 m2. All rooms have windows on the sunny side (the sun is banging on the windows practically from morning to evening), about 8-9 meters in total. Last summer, the minimum temperature in the apartment was 38 degrees ... I could use at least 25 .. Does it make sense to buy this air conditioner? Has anyone used? How's your impressions / opinions? Do you recommend possibly something else up to PLN 1,400?

Huh, 12,000 BTUs, kind of a lot, it's hard to believe . Only question - How are you going to lead the pipe for the removal of hot air to the outside, and this is necessary - a hole in the wall?

There are two options:
1. Through the window in the room (secured with a collar, or cut white, opaque plexiglass the size of a window with a hole for a pipe).
2. I will open the windows on the balcony and lead the pipe to the balcony - it can be hot there

Here you are, this is your cottage. Work.

Second control question
Where does the air for cooling the condenser come from?

Wlodek22 wrote:

Where does the air for cooling the condenser come from?

Rurom, Lord, Rurom The corrugated pipe from the kit must lead to the outside.

How come, Lord, where do I know?
Mount this invention somewhere by the window and lead the air to him, Lord, both to and from.

I bought one last year and cast it. After a month:
minuses:
- b. loud work - you have a compressor and fans inside, it bothers you
- weak air mixing - blows in one direction and quite low
- 2 large buckets of water per day to be poured out - internal tank very small
- low efficiency increases the need to suck in air from the outside to cool the condenser, in addition, in the block you pull in syphons from other chimneys
- on / off control (higher power consumption, hysteresis)
- separate water tank for heating mode - very low drain hole
pros:
- maybe quick assembly, but a lot of fun with those thick pipes

I bought a Gree split, assembled it myself (empty station from the car air-conditioning, I ordered chafed pipes), the current regulations probably require assembly by a specialist.
pros:
- high performance
- even air distribution
- silence
- inverter-controlled compressor - smooth power control
- much lower energy consumption
I am very happy - I recommend setting up a place on the balcony, however, the buildings will not interfere if the minimum distances are kept
minuses:
I gave PLN 2600, but in total it would be enough to make it smaller and cheaper

@hubiwit: Thank you for the information. Unfortunately, the balcony is built-up - the balustrade is bricked up and there are windows. I have no chance for installation on the facade

I have Fral FSC14SC. It can handle it in hot weather. There is no revelation, but last year, during the most severe heat, it was possible to lower it to 24-25 degrees, but I use it in such a way that the air conditioner is placed on the balcony and introduces cool air. If, for various reasons, you cannot install a split, then a portable one with a power of 3.5kW is the absolute minimum, the mentioned Fral has 4kW, apparently there are even greater powers. In my case, there would have to be a multisplit for 2 rooms, after the initial research, the costs would be at least 7-8k. In my case, when I set the air conditioner so that the compressor works all the time, I get the right conditions in the room. I set the air outlet so that it was blowing more or less upwards at an angle of 45 degrees, then the whole room was noticeably cold and I was not aired myself. Of course, you can help with an ordinary floor fan, the fan does not cool, but mixes the air making it move.

Here I described the impressions of using this air conditioner in more detail:
https://www.elektroda.pl/rtvforum/topic2983504.html

95% of portable air conditioners can only work in one way, the one that is most popular, which is standing indoors and having one pipe to bring the air to the outside. In this mode of operation, the air to the condenser is taken directly from the room, and then discharged through a pipe that must be led out through the window.

It is for this reason that negative pressure occurs in the room and the ventilation is disturbed (forced reverse) and the cooling power is lost.

hubiwit wrote:

I bought one last year and cast it. After a month:
minuses:
- b. loud work - you have a compressor and fans inside, it bothers you
- weak air mixing - blows in one direction and quite low
- 2 large buckets of water per day to be poured out - internal tank very small
- low efficiency increases the need to suck in air from the outside to cool the condenser, in addition, in the block you pull in syphons from other chimneys
- on / off control (higher power consumption, hysteresis)
- separate water tank for heating mode - very low drain hole
pros:
- maybe quick assembly, but a lot of fun with those thick pipes

I bought a Gree split, assembled it myself (empty station from the car air-conditioning, I ordered chafed pipes), the current regulations probably require assembly by a specialist.
pros:
- high performance
- even air distribution
- silence
- inverter-controlled compressor - smooth power control
- much lower energy consumption
I am very happy - I recommend setting up a place on the balcony, however, the buildings will not interfere if the minimum distances are kept
minuses:
I gave PLN 2600, but in total it would be enough to make it smaller and cheaper

In the case of Gree, you do not have a guarantee for the devices when assembling yourself !!!
guarantor's requirements:
- installation by an authorized installer
- 2 inspections per year
In the case of an authorized installer performing the installation and the lack of inspections, the warranty ends after 12 months.
Everything must be documented with entries and a stamp on the card.

I know, I know, I will pay the most for the repair, I did not have time to wait for an authorized guarantor, I hope that he will survive the warranty period

hubiwit wrote:

I gave PLN 2600, but in total it would be enough to make it smaller and cheaper

And for about PLN 600 more (if it is 3.5kW) you would have a warranty, assembly - where you would not be interested in anything (well, maybe - where would you like it to be).

Although the F-Gas Act should slightly reduce "self-assembly"

Yesterday I had the opportunity to use it for the first time "in battle":
- outside temperature, 30-34 degrees
- temperature in the apartment, 28 degrees
- set temperature, 20 degrees
After about 10-15 minutes, the temperature dropped to 24 degrees (according to the device's indications, I did not measure it with my own thermometer). After about 30 minutes, it dropped to 22-23 degrees. At the far end of the room it was not as cold as around the air conditioner, but the temperature change to a lower temperature was evidently felt. The air conditioner ran "casual" when needed. I will let you know how it works when a heat wave comes.

When it comes to comfort - the device is indeed loud, but - at least to me - it doesn't piss off. The noise level reduces the joy of the cold And in fact, you have to tire a bit.

SebaSRS wrote:

Although the F-Gas Act should slightly reduce "self-assembly"

It will not be so rosy. Well, unless the product is on the shelf and only a fitter can buy it. Nowadays, buying anything poses no problems. I mainly mean refrigerants.

mirek301 wrote:

In the case of Gree, you do not have a guarantee for the devices when assembling yourself !!!

Well, what for a guarantee as is a warranty. Where no maintenance and service requirements apply.

I installed 3 air conditioning myself without the use of pumps, etc., and there is no problem with the work and the complaint is a warranty.

SebaSRS wrote:

hubiwit wrote:

I gave PLN 2600, but in total it would be enough to make it smaller and cheaper

And for about PLN 600 more (if it is 3.5kW) you would have a warranty, assembly - where you would not be interested in anything (well, maybe - where would you like it to be).

Although the F-Gas Act should slightly reduce "self-assembly"

I understand the approach of people who earn the proverbial bread in this industry, but having the necessary equipment and knowledge, I preferred to mount myself rather than look for someone and make an appointment, etc. The more that the assembly required the use of rope techniques, so I don't think it would end up at 600 zloty.

Camis wrote:

mirek301 wrote:

In the case of Gree, you do not have a guarantee for the devices when assembling yourself !!!

Well, what for a guarantee as is a warranty. Where no maintenance and service requirements apply.

I installed 3 air conditioning myself without the use of pumps, etc., and there is no problem with the work and the complaint is a warranty.

I feel sorry for the user of such systems installed without creating a vacuum.
This is the number for one time and when it is hot and the installation is up to 3m long. Moisture remained in the installation anyway. I don't want to write more about such edits because it's embarrassing.
I have already encountered such devices where there was no authorized installation. The equipment was accepted for repair, the distributor returned with the annotation "assembly was not performed in accordance with the procedure, loss of rights to any claims"

Does this mean that in air conditioners described as "for self-assembly", this self-assembly is just an advertising gimmick, taking money and shunning the manufacturer's warranty? In such an installation, by definition, there is no vacuum and the probability of an error that invalidates the warranty seems to be high.

andrzejlisek wrote:

Does this mean that in air conditioners described as "for self-assembly", this self-assembly is just an advertising gimmick, taking money and shunning the manufacturer's warranty? In such an installation, by definition, there is no vacuum and the probability of an error that invalidates the warranty seems to be high.

And here you are a bit wrong. The air conditioners described in this way have a predetermined pipeline length, i.e. 2, 3, 8 m, and the pipeline has an indoor unit. and external are terminated with "Parker" quick couplers. The vacuum is already made in them (the quick coupler has a valve similar to power hydraulics lines) and after connection it fills the lines with the refrigerant accumulated in the outdoor unit. Such an installation can be moved, etc., without loss of refrigerant and without the need for a vacuum.
As far as I remember something like that has 'Remko'

But to have full warranty, inspections by an authorized installer must be entered in the card.

I haven't seen such kits for self-assembly on the market lately ... ZIBRO used to have a lot of it.

Remko has them all the time

mirek301 wrote:

I have already encountered such devices where there was no authorized installation. The equipment was accepted for repair, the distributor returned with the annotation `` installation was not performed in accordance with the procedure, loss of rights to any claims "

In the case of a warranty, the store handles the complaint, the distributor has nothing to say.

Air conditioners have been in use today for several years.

Camis wrote:

mirek301 wrote:

I have already encountered such devices where there was no authorized installation. The equipment was accepted for repair, the distributor returned with the annotation `` installation was not performed in accordance with the procedure, loss of rights to any claims "

In the case of a warranty, the store handles the complaint, the distributor has nothing to say.

Air conditioners have been in use today for several years.

I must disappoint you, because this is the difference between a market's tacky Chinese food and something that will work. The chain store will buy a dozen or so containers of devices from a Chinese for 80 - 100 dollars apiece. He will sell for 1200 if he exchanges a few pieces or gives back the money and so it will be his own.

The pocket knife opens in my pocket as I hear I have installed air conditioning without making a vacuum !!! And you probably checked the tightness of the socket connections with soapy water. Instead of a detector. The foam will not leak 5 grams of refrigerant per day, and after a few weeks the system will be empty. And how will the device become what you will drop the factor with? Will you let go into the atmosphere?

Amateurs what little, do some work without proper knowledge and basic equipment.

I met the installers (which company I will not mention, but a large one) who twisted the cups and did not even check the tightness, they released the factor, deleted the client and so on.
After 2 weeks, the customer calls that the air conditioning is not working, the installer, refrigerant cylinders, clocks and the customer. After all, he will pay anyway because it was a bit too little for this installation and you have to let it (old song)

Fortunately, self-respecting manufacturers now demand to leave the installation under vacuum, then leave the installation under pressure for 24 hours and then start the device. And all pressures and times must be entered on the card together with the installer's authorization number. Without this, there is no guarantee, and without inspections, no more than 12 months.



Maybe thanks to this and the regulations on f-gases, the number of such home-grown installers will be reduced. Adam Słodowy Do It Yourself.

I bought this air conditioning from Castorama Blyss 12000

The room on the top floor, 25m2, air conditioner with a pipe sticking out of the window through a hole in a special and expensive curtain. There are 27 degrees in the room before switching on (checked with an ordinary thermometer). After starting the air conditioning, it also shows 27 degrees. After 15 minutes, the air conditioning shows 22 degrees - but unfortunately this is a fake, which is easy to believe, because the air conditioner forces air to circulate and cools slightly. But in fact, when measuring the temperature 2 meters from the air conditioner, it turns out that the room is 26 degrees (although the air at the device itself is 10 degrees). After a few hours of operation, the temperature rises to 27 degrees (the sun has come out the window). I check how much it will be without an air conditioner - after a few minutes I am 28-29 degrees, after half an hour still 29 degrees.
To sum up - air conditioning gives a feeling of coolness, but only a feeling. In fact, it lowers the temperature by 2 degrees, plus it forces air to circulate, so that the perceived temperature is probably another 2 degrees lower. It is incomparable to a typical air-conditioning in offices mounted on the wall inside and outside - in a different, although similar room, such a typical office air-conditioning set to the maximum after half an hour makes winter unbearable for us. You need to increase the set temperature to 22-23 degrees. Here, the set temperature is 16 degrees, the climate shows 22 degrees throughout the day, and the room is 26-27 degrees - there is not even anything to compare. Just a bit better than the fan because the effect is similar and you do not need to set the airflow on the face.

You don't have a device too small for this room, buddy. A portable air conditioner will never work like a wall mounted air conditioner. A pipe that ejects hot air from the unit so as not to raise the temperature inside. The mere fact of placing such a device on the floor must have consequences. The wall air conditioner is mounted under the ceiling and it is known from physics that hot air collects there.
The dimensions of the exchanger in a wall-mounted unit are larger for easier flow. Therefore, a stationary air conditioner with the same power will give a better effect than a portable one.

I have climate Blyss about such a photo borrowed


The climate is 3.5kW and works better than it is really loud, but the performance is amazing. After a few minutes, the room (attic) is cooled down to the set temperature, in most cases the climate is set to 22 ° C. Then the unit turns off and the air is spinning ... if the air-conditioning system sucked in air at a temperature of 26 * C, it would immediately turn on again.

The air exhaust pipe is a mistake and it gets hot, but it is enough to replace it with one covered with wool and you will not feel this temperature anymore.

mirek301 wrote:

You don't have a device too small for this room, buddy. A portable air conditioner will never work like a wall mounted air conditioner. A pipe that ejects hot air from the unit so as not to raise the temperature inside. The mere fact of placing such a device on the floor must have consequences. The wall air conditioner is mounted under the ceiling and it is known from physics that hot air collects there.
The dimensions of the exchanger in a wall-mounted unit are larger for easier flow. Therefore, a stationary air conditioner with the same power will give a better effect than a portable one.

Never say never - there are portable "two-pipe" air conditioners, that is, taking the "technological" air from the outside with one pipe and ejecting the other, and yes, they have a performance similar to splits, although they are a bit noisy ...


As you can see in the picture - rather easy to install in England - USA / windows that open differently than ours

They are cooler, where you leave the entire air conditioning outside and you enter the house only with a pipe with cooled air. Photo borrowed from the Internet


Unfortunately, such an assembly also has its disadvantages, e.g. weather conditions, but I think that it can work quite decently. Which does not mean that I would exchange my 3.5kW Midee for this one, but the Blyss is rather like that.